new JD combine series fire trap?

Anonymous-0 · Oct 12, 2011

Have heard of 3 of the new series combines out that have burned already guess JD motors use the catalitic polution control that runs at 1300 degrees

504 · Oct 12, 2011

Your EPA at work.

Will Herring · Oct 12, 2011

Had a new combine fire around here recently, but am unsure what series of John Deere it was.

robgIN · Oct 12, 2011

I have read that the increased amount of plastic parts has been causing more static buildup and more dust sticking in places it shouldn't be. Don't know if that is fact or fiction but I could see it as a contributing factor. The increased emissions components are surely going to up the fire risk too.

fixerupper · Oct 12, 2011

If there is an engine fire problem I'll betcha Deere will get it remedied. Anytime a tried and true design is messed with, new vulnerabilities will pop up. No machinery brand is immune. Corn silk and leaf chaff is a tougher beast to handle than the small grains chaff the prototypes are primarily exposed to. Jim

Jon Hagen · Oct 12, 2011

I don't know if the dust sticks worse to plastic, maybe. One thing for sure, metal panels resist fire, plastic panels feed the fire.

Bob · Oct 12, 2011

If you are using/renting/buying something that costs a quarter of a million dollars + you need to have it insured. If it IS insured and an unintended thermal event occurs, your insurance company and the manufacturer will (eventually) work out who is going to pay.

WHAT's your problem... was it your combine that burned up??????????

PJH · Oct 13, 2011

We passed a new looking JD combine the other day. Two fire trucks were there, but the fire appeared to be out. Couldn't see any visual damage, burned paint, etc., but the lids in the back were all opened up. The next day a service truck was there most of the day. It's been a week now, and the combine is still setting there, the header is removed and gone, and another machine was brought in to finish the beans. We've had excellent weather up until today, but this was definately a setback in the middle of the harvest season. I don't know who owned the combine.

John_PA · Oct 13, 2011

$519,000 for a brand new New Holland CR combine...

IF I owned one and it caught fire because they used plastic instead of metal, I think I would be at the front door of the president of New Holland, with a newspaper adn 3 days worth of burrito in my colon, leaving him a nice present.

My house cost $56,000. IF I paid $519,000 for a combine, that stupid thing better have a hot shower and cable TV.

fixerupper · Oct 13, 2011

We used to have an occasional static fire in dust sitting on the top of the rotor cage in CIH combines. It never turned into a real fire but once you have that smoke smell in your nose you can smell it for the rest of the day. Jim

tjiniowa · Oct 13, 2011

I have also heard of 3 new Deeres burning up in NE Iowa area

55 50 Ron · Oct 13, 2011

Many areas of the country have been extremely dry and that certainly adds to the fire danger for combines.

The new combines have a lot more sheet metal around them than the much older ones. Seems to me that the sheet metal (added for styling maybe?) creates more places for leaves, straw and chaff to gather and become a fire hazard. I realize that some sheet metal is added for safety reasons (is that an EPA requirement?) but some is probably just for styling.

cumminspuller · Oct 13, 2011

Thank the EPA for a lot of the fires due to the emissions systems on new equipment. its been in pickups for several years. We had several hay fields and wheat fields that caught on fire from the 6.4 Fords going into regen mode and had a flame coming out the exhaust. Ford got this fixed but not before several things were burned up. Everything will run better without all that crap anyways. If I ever buy anything that does have the big emission system on it, It will be taken off as soon as it is out of warrenty. Sorry for the rant. I agree with others. You need to have equipment insured!

buickanddeere · Oct 13, 2011

The owner/operator can be blamed too. How many times does service and inspection consist of filling the fuel tank and occasionally checking the oil on a new machine?
It's normal common sense service with any machine in dust accumulating conditions. To regularly clear dust and debris away from moving and hot components.

NY 986 · Oct 13, 2011

There's a lot to be said for keeping the machine clean. A couple new red combines burned last fall around here though one was not to extensively damaged. A now deceased neighbor bought a new yellow combine 3 years ago and had trouble because he was not much for maintenance or common sense. Somebody had fun at the yellow shop with that machine as I had heard he had plugged it a few different times with tough soybean stems and pods. He always had the threat of making his yearly new tractor purchase elsewhere so the yellow shop unplugged for at the most an hours billing for a day's work. New paint does make them invincible. On the flip side there may be an issue with Deere's design or choice of material.

F-350 · Oct 13, 2011

More and more new combines are burning up...You hear about it all the time..

Back in the old days lots of 815 IH's burnt up..I can remember one salvage yard having a row of 12 of them..

F-350 · Oct 13, 2011

Who said anything about having a problem...The guy simply made a statement....Everyone carries insurance on their combine but you still hate to see them burn right in the middle of harvest when you need them the most..Its a headache getting them replaced...

Anonymous-0 · Oct 13, 2011

They can thank a no common sense out of control EPA for that. Agco and CNH went to SCR technology which treats the exhaust as it comes out of the engine allowing the engine to run more efficently in spite of the EPA. The catch is the DEF fluid that you have to purchase for the treatment. Deere on the other hand decided to continue using the exhaustgas recirculation method. This method is not only less efficient it also burns much hotter. EPA regualation+design flaw=FIRE

BigMarv1085 · Oct 13, 2011

Around here most cotton pickers and combines always seemed to catch on fire when the field was just about finished on the last few acres, maybe a coincedence.

JimEvans · Oct 13, 2011

(quoted from post at 11:48:00 10/13/11) They can thank a no common sense out of control EPA for that. Agco and CNH went to SCR technology which treats the exhaust as it comes out of the engine allowing the engine to run more efficently in spite of the EPA. The catch is the DEF fluid that you have to purchase for the treatment. Deere on the other hand decided to continue using the exhaustgas recirculation method. This method is not only less efficient it also burns much hotter. EPA regualation+design flaw=FIRE

So you are telling me that IH and Agco combines do not catch on fire and the combines made before the emission crap was added do not catch fire?

You should take a look at the combine junk yard here. Looks like all brands and years catch fire to me.

2cylpartsinfo · Oct 13, 2011

Problems with fires on older combines is often from mice eating on the wiring harness while the combine is in storage over the winter months.

I read someplace the wiring harness was changed a few years ago incorporating soy based material as insulation. I don't know if this is true but would tase good to mice.

Mice problems seem to be worse in cold climates.

Any number of things could be causing the problems with the new combines. I'm sure there is an army of engineers and fire experts working on it.

GaryinKs · Oct 13, 2011

A good investment is an air compressor,blow out engine compartment and keep the alternator clean.

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