Idiot season /Deer Hunters

Billy Shafer · Oct 9, 2011

Well idiot season starts in a few weeks. I can tell by.
1 All the camping trailers and RVs filling up the fields.
2 All the trailers in town loaded with dirt bikes and four wheelers
3 Ammo sales are up.
4 Corn is flying out of the feed store.
5 Chain saws running to cut holes in the trees to hide the trailers in.
6 Deer are moving up to the ranches that don't allow hunting. Even they are laughing at the idiots.

David G · Oct 9, 2011

I found an unknown deer stand in my timber yesterday. I will take it down today and see if anyone comes up and asks about it. I try to keep track of who is on my property.

kito169 · Oct 9, 2011

I cannot believe the gall of some folks. Let us know how things turn out if they show up.

RBnSC · Oct 9, 2011

Our season has been open since mid August went for the first time yesterday didn't see a thing. My brother has all ready taken four. Bagged corn is already running out.
Ron

John_PA · Oct 9, 2011

someone put a tree stand up on the farm once, and left a scribbled note on a 2x4 step that said something like, "Don't F--- with my tree stand. any questions? here's a pencil." and they left a pencil on the step.

20 minutes later, the tree was laying on the ground, cut into 18 inch rounds. On the flat of the lowest round, where the step was nailed, I took teh pencil and scribbled... "This is my tree. Any questions?"

2cylpartsinfo · Oct 9, 2011

Deere hunters are a different breed. We have an overpupulation of Deere in Iowa. Two of my friends went to the trouble of setting tags to hunt and kill Deere out of the normal season this past summer. One guy had 10 tags with only one Deere killed, the other guy had 6 tags with none killed.
Deere belong to the cow family of animals, they "attack" corn fields at night (wiping out 3-5 acres at a time) and hide chewing their cud (as a cow) during the daytime.
It is a real problem here.
Just do the math, your profit goes to deere feed.

Ultradog MN · Oct 9, 2011

Let's see now,
Multiple generations of families together. Fathers teaching sons ethics and safety and morals and patience. Campfires and old family recipes for good food. Great stories and bragging and the teasing of loved ones for things that happened 50 years ago. Old crippled men who can't climb a stand anymore but still got the fire in the belly for that big buck so you put him in a lawn chair for those easy shots across the field.
An escape from the rat race of the city. Afternoon naps, old buddies, playing with your toys and just walking the land that you own but rarely get to see but hope to retire on someday.
Cribbage and the game on a squawky transistor radio. Grandpas and grand daughters sitting together in a stand. Mothers and wives off shopping the antique stores while the men are afield.
Tenderloins and eggs for breakfast. A nip for all off the brandy bottle. Times shared that are not forgotten.
I fail to see how this annual event makes these people idiots. But maybe I'm just stupid.

shaun wallace · Oct 9, 2011

Heck Dont ya know its more fun to go tear up land you dont own and never ever be able to aford.

Will Herring · Oct 9, 2011

(quoted from post at 10:09:33 10/09/11)
I fail to see how this annual event makes these people idiots. But maybe I'm just stupid.

It's mostly the illegal trespassing, IMO. :evil:

B-Mod · Oct 9, 2011

(quoted from post at 06:53:45 10/09/11) someone put a tree stand up on the farm once, and left a scribbled note on a 2x4 step that said something like, "Don't F--- with my tree stand. any questions? here's a pencil." and they left a pencil on the step.

20 minutes later, the tree was laying on the ground, cut into 18 inch rounds. On the flat of the lowest round, where the step was nailed, I took teh pencil and scribbled... "This is my tree. Any questions?"

That is just plain awesome!
My uncles are having all kinds of problems with a guy on a property line dispute all started because of deer hunting.
Guy moves in several years ago, and makes paths with his tractor thru my uncles woods, his tractor dies in the woods, my uncle calls the cops when they find the tractor in the woods. Things are quiet for a few years. Last year my uncle lets a young 17 kid and his sister hunt in these same woods. The guy comes walking up with a gun during bow season to scare the kid away, and talks crap to the young boy. Cops are called again. Now this spring this same guy who is supposedly disabled, goes in the woods and takes down a barb wire fence that borders his land stating it is on his property, even though the fence has been there for more than 30 years. So cops are called, surveys are done, fence was in correct location, now it is in the courts hands to get this guy to put the fence back up.
I understand the deer hunting thing, but damn don't let it run your life!.....

oldtanker · Oct 9, 2011

(quoted from post at 07:09:33 10/09/11) Let's see now,
Multiple generations of families together. Fathers teaching sons ethics and safety and morals and patience. Campfires and old family recipes for good food. Great stories and bragging and the teasing of loved ones for things that happened 50 years ago. Old crippled men who can't climb a stand anymore but still got the fire in the belly for that big buck so you put him in a lawn chair for those easy shots across the field.
An escape from the rat race of the city. Afternoon naps, old buddies, playing with your toys and just walking the land that you own but rarely get to see but hope to retire on someday.
Cribbage and the game on a squawky transistor radio. Grandpas and grand daughters sitting together in a stand. Mothers and wives off shopping the antique stores while the men are afield.
Tenderloins and eggs for breakfast. A nip for all off the brandy bottle. Times shared that are not forgotten.
I fail to see how this annual event makes these people idiots. But maybe I'm just stupid.

Yes thats how it was, unfortunately now it's people who had no interest in the farm who moved to the Twin Cities and when dad died sold the farm teaching their kids that "deer camp" is for boozing it up to get away from the wife and the kids while tresspassing on others property while shooting at anything that moves. Seems a fovorite thing to shoot at while drunk are tractors and cows.

We had a local guy here about 15 years ago who was caught renting hunting rights out on other peoples land. Wasn't too hard for the cops to get to the bottom of it. Guy caught someone in a nice prebuilt stand and called the law. The law shows up and says you are tresspassing and you have to leave and oh by the way you are being cited. Hunter says hey wait, Mike XXXXX rented me hunting rights here I have a right to be here. Here's my reciept!

There are alot of good people out there who hunt, but Mn has it's fair share of idiots out there in the woods too.

Rick

kj(seil) · Oct 9, 2011

found a stand in our fencerow, wacth for the guy, went to tell him to move it he threaten to have me arrested, he was stunned when the game warden showed up. Don"t know if he has his stuff back or not and don"t care. Would have been different if he"d got permisssion.

Detmurds · Oct 9, 2011

So many restrictions to hunting anything these days compared to how it was many, many years ago when school boys would bring their guns to school just to hunt after school was over! (Imagine a kid bringing a rifle to school in today's world?)

Fact is,..when there is that much control of anything,...many will get stupid when it is allowed for a short period of time.

I agree, stay off of private property unless one has permission!

David G · Oct 9, 2011

There are a lot of jerks out there.

JDseller · Oct 9, 2011

I don't let any non-family hunting on my land any more. Had to deal with too many jerks for the few good hunters. I don't like the over population of deer but I will put with the deer rather than the idiots.

Have to enforce my borders every year. Many seem to think they are in free range country that the government owns. What ended people hunting on me was finding deer slugs in my yard. Stupid person had unloaded his gun and dropped three shells. Wife found them mowing. Lucky before she hit them.

720 popper · Oct 9, 2011

I don't hunt but have deer that do great damage to my vegetable crops. The only hunting I allow is bow hunting. First hunting rights go to a young hunters who will work in my veg operation for good wages. They must demonstrate that they can hit the target with 2 out of 3 arrows(If they hit with first 1 they pass and don't need to fire the other 2) They must only take good shots and not pass up does. I have had more enjoyment watching 5 young boys and girls harvest their deer this fall. They are happy and I am happy to see the population reduced. I have found the young hunters to be more respectful of the land, game and rules than some of the older hunters that should be setting an example.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 9, 2011

thats the true hunting spirit i wish everyone could achieve , it is what makes this country Great !,.. sadly, 1 idiot makes it bad for the entire community of hunters

oldtanker · Oct 9, 2011

(quoted from post at 08:38:08 10/09/11) I don't hunt but have deer that do great damage to my vegetable crops. The only hunting I allow is bow hunting. First hunting rights go to a young hunters who will work in my veg operation for good wages. They must demonstrate that they can hit the target with 2 out of 3 arrows(If they hit with first 1 they pass and don't need to fire the other 2) They must only take good shots and not pass up does. I have had more enjoyment watching 5 young boys and girls harvest their deer this fall. They are happy and I am happy to see the population reduced. I have found the young hunters to be more respectful of the land, game and rules than some of the older hunters that should be setting an example.

Great idea! I'd say I'd work for ya but I'm too old and too broke down.....and have my own deer to shoot.

Rick

Gun guru · Oct 9, 2011

What makes guys idiots is that they hunt (trespass) on land that is not theirs or is posted no hunting and they do it anyway.
Pizzes me off to no end.

oldtanker · Oct 9, 2011

(quoted from post at 09:16:19 10/09/11) What makes guys idiots is that they hunt (trespass) on land that is not theirs or is posted no hunting and they do it anyway.
Pizzes me off to no end.

Way worse than that. You get folks who live in town, take out their deer gun a week before season and check the zero with one or 2 rounds and head to the woods. Then they shoot at anything that moves reguardless and oblivious to anything else besides what they are shooting at. Then they put their gun away most of the time without cleaning it till next year. So they head into the woods without being really familiar with their firearm of choice. I know a guy who is convinced that a 30.06 will only take a deer out to 150 yards and this guy hunts every year. A BIL fired 6 shots at a deer last year out of a 300 Mag to hit it, at 200 yards (he showed me where he was and where the deer was, he claimed 600 yards)! He spends his money of fancey guns and can't afford ammo to shoot. Last year after the 6 shot deer he came over to my place to zero that 300 Mag. From a bench off of my lead sled rest he couldn't shoot less than a 6 inch group at 100 yards. I tried 3 rounds out of it and had all 3 bullet holes touching each other. He said I was showing off. I know a lot of people who own firearms and have no understanding of guns, ammo or ballistics.

Rick

Gun guru · Oct 9, 2011

Next door neighbors land runs right next to a 80 acre corn field. a few years ago my neighbor finds a guy in one of his trees on the edge of the corn field. My neighbor had to argue with the guy to leave cause he said he had permission to hunt there. The stupidity of some of these guys is appalling.
3 years ago the same neighbor and I put up 50 no-hunting/no trespassing signs, we stapled them onto the trees themselves. The following spring someone took all of them down. No respect for private property.

jose bagge · Oct 9, 2011

I wish it was the idyllic Norman Rockwell scene that UltraDog depicts, but unfortunately the yahoos took over. It's only bow season here in Va, and I find the bow hunters WAAAY more respectful than the gun hunters, based on the number of empty beer cans laying about.
I went to college in Pa and we had a gun safe on campus for long guns. On openening day of trout, pheasant and deer season classes were dismissed and there wasn't a male on campus- and many co-eds went out too. It was a true community event.
I'm not much of a deer hunter anymore- I hunt from a lawn chair in my hayloft-

BushogPapa · Oct 9, 2011

Yea, time to PAINT "COW", "DOG", Etc on EVERYTHING that aint a Deer...
And, I aint Kidding...

Lost 2 Family Dogs and neighbor lost 400 lb Charleit Calf behind his Barn to "Deer Hunters"..

They should stop Deer-Hunting and just let them be hit by cars, like they do Coons, Skunks, etc...
We would ALL be better off..

Ron..

Billy Shafer · Oct 9, 2011

Got a friend down here. Found two guys on his land putting up a stand. They told him somebody said they could hunt here. He told to remove the stand and go find somebody and tell him he is wrong. Before the game warden shows up

NY 986 · Oct 9, 2011

Yep, I've been out fixing and adding posted signs. I see the one set of "hunters" out checking trails near where the properties meet each other but no trespass as of yet. Crops are going to be out late this year due to the late spring and dry summer so the yahoos may not be so lucky in their woods.

NY 986 · Oct 9, 2011

Stupid? That guy was just trying play your neighbor for a fool. I hope your neighbor was able to fix his wagon (in a legal manner) for that.

Jiles · Oct 9, 2011

People trespassing on my property was the main reason for me selling.
I only had 50 acres but it was mixed with large hardwood and about 1/3 cleared.
I did a little truck patching but would see where somene helped themselves to my goods!
My property was well fenced and taken care of --almost like a park---and all land around me was grown up. People would climb fence and walk, drink--and throw their beer cans and cigarette butts everywhere!
Can't remember the times I had to talk to trespassers hunting on my land.
I eventually found that the best way for ME to handle this situation was to be as friendly as possible and tell them they can hunt, or trespass, for the day, but to not come back again or the situation would be different.
To my knowledge, I never had a single, same, person return.
I felt this approach was best because a mad person can do a lot of damage to property. Fires are easy to start!!
I just got tired of talking to a different, trespassing, strainger almost every day!

ShepFL · Oct 9, 2011

Agree 100%

Issue is the lame a$$es that aren't hunters but shooters. They don't appreciate the beauty of the event and only want to fill a tag.

This is where I get mad as now we being lumped in as "hunters"

Volunteer FWC Hunter Ed instructor for past 10 yrs and going strong

ShepFL · Oct 9, 2011

"I know a lot of people who own firearms and have no understanding of guns, ammo or ballistics."

Amen to that!!

Welding man · Oct 9, 2011

Have you ever had a bullet from a high powered rifle hit your pick-up truck while you were driving down the road,or have to stop in the road while some idiot had stopped in front of you to shoot a deere in a posted field, Or have your fences been cut so the idiots could ride their 4 wheelers through your posted property to get a deer that they had just shot., or have someone shoot a deer in your front yard while you were standing on the porch? How about hooking a chain to pick-up and jerking your gate off the hindges to get to a good hunting place? Ever had a cow mistaken for a deer? All of this and more has happened within 5 miles of where I live in the past few years. That is why we all have our land posted and know the game wardens on a first name basis. If you don't have these problems with hunters in your area you are very lucky.

Gun guru · Oct 9, 2011

My neighbor just told him to get the F--- out or he was calling the cops.

Billy Shafer · Oct 9, 2011

Not talking about those kind of people. Talking about the ones that shoot at anything in site. Without knowing what they are shooting at.Also the ones that show up in big fancy rigs. Pulling trailers loaded with atv's and dirt bikes. Run all over the fields making all the noise they can. Then complain because they did not see any deer.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 9, 2011

My stepson has the say so as to who hunts on his family farm, Last year he kicked out one hunter that started hunting the farm about 25 years ago, with the stepsons grandfathers permission.

Several years ago this guy, after no problems for all those years. Begin to bring other hunter with him and tried to run off some hunters that had permission to hunt, I guess he thought after all those year the land belonged to him. He had the gall to argue with the stepson about it, so he is gone.

AlinArk · Oct 9, 2011

kj even if you give permission, you put yourself in a very bad legal standing.
if some moron accidentally shoots his foot of or somebody else s head off like it or not you are now part of the problem with expensive legal fees.
not like the old days any more al

Elvin Frank · Oct 9, 2011

Not all deer hunters are idiots, I"m a deer hunter, I do not trespass, nor do I do anything that is illegal. I"m well aware that there are outlaws and poachers and many undesireables about but to label us all as idiots just shows your ignorance.

Ultradog MN · Oct 9, 2011

Interesting thread. A lot of anger out there directed towards hunters. That's too bad.
Not to discount your personal experiences with bullets flying around you, tresspassers, idiots and the lawless I gotta wonder if it has something to do with perspective. I wonder which one of us is actually living in a Rockwellesque world.
Living in the inner city as I do I see something of lawlessness every day.
Minneapolis is a small town compared to many other cities (pop 380K) but on any given day there are probably a couple of rapes, 50 burglaries, a shooting or two, a couple of murders a week, plus hundreds and hundreds of vicious confrontations, beatings, stabbings, robberies, drug deals and other anti social behavior between the feral people who live here.
Compare that to the 400K firearms hunters who hit the woods in Minnesota each year. Compare the tresspassing, your danger of being shot, the amount of criminal behavior and lawlessness of those hunters to the city folk. Makes me think my idyllic picture of most hunters is fairly accurate.
We usually kill one, sometimes two hunters a year here. I can't say how many tresspassers and poachers there are every year. But for 400,000 people running around with loaded guns I think comparatively we do pretty well as a group of responsible, law abiding, property respecting citizens.
Combined with my earlier post we in no way should be lumped together as a bunch of idiots.
And fortunately for you people who don't like us we're only out there a few weekends a year.
The thugs and the muggers and the killers and the pimps and the boogeymen run around 24/7/365 here.
Again, it's all about perspective.
Yours is right of course.
So is mine.
But I wonder who's perspective is more accurate in this modern day America.

Billy Shafer · Oct 9, 2011

Elvin. I didn't say you were all idiots. We do have hunters that the land owners trust and respect. They are not even required to check in when they arrive. Land owners know there trucks and who they are will often stop by and visit with them.Those hunters respect the land and property. Obey the rules and know what they are shooting at. Treated like real friends. During the season.

Jiles · Oct 9, 2011

Years ago, when I was able---I hunted for Deer, Turley, Doves, and Ducks--But not at the same time~~ LOL!
Many times I have went hunting all day and never fired a shot!!
Many hunters have to shoot or Kill something even if it is just a Bluebird!!!

oldtanker · Oct 9, 2011

UD I have nothing against the hunter who goes out, is familiar with their firearm, don't tresspass to hunt. Heck I hunt. But I can darn sure hit what I'm shooting at, never shoot at sound, never tresspass or endanger anyone else. Some of my kids hunt, as do a few relitives so I don't need anyone else hunting here, it's only 200 acres. I'm the only one who post were there is more than a 100-150 yard shot. We never waste anything and don't leave wounded animals in the woods.

Mn averages 2 deaths and about 25 injuries a year.

Rick

da bees · Oct 9, 2011

Most of the problems I see talked about here can be controled by passing and enforcing laws within your state. Texas landowners and merchants are dependent on income generated by hunting. I wouldn't say Texas laws are extensive nor strict but are clear to the point and enforced. When caught for serious violation(shooting from or near public road,dwelling included)all weapons,vehicles that can be connected to perp,is impounded until fines and damage is paid. I suppose Texas deals diferrently with crime in general than most jurisditions. It's your land and it's your life. Don't allow either to be trampled on.

wolfman · Oct 9, 2011

Saturday I baled hay til 6. About 5 a couple bow hunters asked it they could drive down thru farm to hunt deer. I said ok. Hauled hay til dark passing half dozen deer grazing in the next field. Drove past these deer 4 or 6 times. About dark these hunters drove away- must not have spotted the deer.

pete 23 · Oct 9, 2011

I still have an old no hunting sign in my tool box. People asked, can I borrow a couple wrenches, I ask, can I hunt on your land.

gbs · Oct 9, 2011

real considerate bunch of people they have gotten so good around home they will field dress one and dump the remains along the road sides preferably at someone driveway

casenut1 · Oct 9, 2011

in Ohio even if you give permission , you DO NOT have any liability. the hunter is responsible for his own actions.

oldtanker · Oct 9, 2011

(quoted from post at 19:10:01 10/09/11) in Ohio even if you give permission , you DO NOT have any liability. the hunter is responsible for his own actions.

Same in MN....now if you sell hunting rights it's a different story.

Rick

1130Leo · Oct 10, 2011

I have no problem with Deer Hunters, but when they ask my Neighbor to hunt on his land, they need to know where his land is and where my land is. I've had to run more than one Hunter off my place, Deer, Goose, Phesant etc.. I do not take the excuse that they "didn't know" and also make it clear if they come back I'm taking their guns too.

Spook · Oct 10, 2011

(quoted from post at 07:09:33 10/09/11) Let's see now,
Multiple generations of families together. Fathers teaching sons ethics and safety and morals and patience. Campfires and old family recipes for good food. Great stories and bragging and the teasing of loved ones for things that happened 50 years ago. Old crippled men who can't climb a stand anymore but still got the fire in the belly for that big buck so you put him in a lawn chair for those easy shots across the field.
An escape from the rat race of the city. Afternoon naps, old buddies, playing with your toys and just walking the land that you own but rarely get to see but hope to retire on someday.
Cribbage and the game on a squawky transistor radio. Grandpas and grand daughters sitting together in a stand. Mothers and wives off shopping the antique stores while the men are afield.
Tenderloins and eggs for breakfast. A nip for all off the brandy bottle. Times shared that are not forgotten.

I fail to see how this annual event makes these people idiots. But maybe I'm just stupid.

Lets see how it has worked for me:

Tresspassing? Yup.
Trash on the property? Yup, lots of beer bottles & food wrappers.
Crap on property? Yup, nothing like finding a pile of crap wrapped in toilet paper - 100 ft from your back door.
Fences cut? Yup. Wake up, look out in the front yard, and your horses are eating the shrubs. Made my day.
Tree stands on my trees? Yup. 11 in one year.
Gut piles left on the property? Yup. Nice to have your dog bring some offal back to the house.
Idoits with guns? Yup. The local hunters have devolved into a beer drinking and shooting club.
Drunks with guns? Yup - see above.
People who ignore no hunting signs? Yup. Sometimes they use the signs for target practice.

I have been assured by hunters that I know, that the idiots are a small minority. I have my doubts. And btw, the folks in the cities are trying to shoot each other. They are also idiots, but they don't come out here to bother us.

36 Coupe · Oct 11, 2011

Same way in Maine.Hunting is dropping off here.Deer population is way down.Saw a photo of a coyote carrying a fawn in its mouth.Ive always been a small game hunter.I seem to be cutting wood during deer season.Friends have stands on my land.A jerk bought 30 acres of old field and woods along my east boundry.Wood had been stripped.No large amount of wood just a few big ash and red oak along a brook.He posted the land, dug trenches diverting a brook to make a pond.Friends had a stand close to the boundry, the tree was on my land.Jerk wrote no tresspass on the steps.Friends took down the stand even though jerk was in the wrong.I was out taking down a dead ash on first day of fishing season.The brook started running yellow clay.I walked up stream and saw it was coming from jerks land.2 neighbors came up to where I was cutting the tree, thought I was making the mess.I went up to jerks place and found him digging thru the pond bank with and excavator.I told him it was the first day of fishing season and the game warden would up to see him soon.He put up several buildings and went broke and sold out.The new owner is no trouble at all.I bought the place in 1966, never posted,posting land can bring you trouble here.

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