O/T: water heater settings: is hotter more efficient?

MeAnthony

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I am trying to find ways to lower my electric bill, as Consumers Energy here in MI is nailing me for $200 - $300 per month. Seems odd, since I"m the only one here about half the time. But then, they did refuse to read my meter for 15 months because "my neighbor"s dog was outside". Neighbor is my dad, he told me meter guy sat in driveway drinking coffee, never came up to my house. Interesting.

When they did finally read it, they sent me a $2500 adjustment bill. But I digress...

My water heater(original equipment in a "95 manufactured home) is set at 120 degrees. I recently replaced both elements, simply because it hadn"t been done and I wanted to avoid a failure situation. It seems to heat rather often.

My question is this: is a lower setting more efficient, because the water is not being heated as much? Or is a higher setting more efficient, because you won"t use as much hot water?

I would prefer to upgrade to a newer propane unit but that isn"t in the budget right now.

Your time taken to pose a response is appreciated.

Thanks,

Anthony
 
an insulation jacket for the water heater might do more good than changing the temp setting. I am not an expert, just my idea. I am on half price water heating here, Duke only supplies power at certain times of the day and only charges you half price for the power the heater uses. I had to put in an 80 gallon tank, which is set at 140 degrees but it works fine. we do not run out of hot water and do not try to limit our use either. Do you have that option?

frank
 
No, Consumers Energy does not offer any off-peak discounts. I don't know if installing a larger heater would help? Current one is 40 gallon.

Thanks,

Anthony
 
Our water tank is on a timer!
We have a 60 gallon tank, and being old, go to
bed at 9:30. Having been a Railroad Locomotive
mechanis, my wife ruled that I never go to bed
without showering, cause of the diesel exhaust
smell. I usually don"t do morning showers, so the
heated is off from 10 P.M. till 2 P.M. the next
day. There"s usually plenty of 100 degree water
in the morning. Gas heater is set for 130, my
water heater uses abour $10 a month, based on
summer when the furnace is off.
 
A larger heater won't help, It would be just more water to keep warm when nobody is using it. It takes more electricity to bring the temp up to 120 than it does to bring it up to 100 so unless you use more than 40 gallons of hot water at one time, you could drop the max temp as long as your heater doesn't take to long to recover. You should put an extra insulating blanket around the heater, our electric company gave us one.
 
I'm like graygoat, I have my hot water heater on a timer. Be your own timer, turn off the breaker for the hot water heater at a certain time everyday.
I installed my timer 20 years ago, and before that, I just turned off the breaker around 9 pm and turned it back on at 7 pm next day. And that was with 2 boys at home, they learned to take quick showers in the morning..lol
 
Heating efficiencies are always calculated using heat loss data. Consequently, higher reservoir temps will lose more heat due to the greater delta.

However, I think you will find that hot water heater installers will always set the heaters at 140. That is the temperature that will kill the Legionaire's Disease pathogen. None of the service representatives or their employers want that liability.

You can get educated by using Google.
 
If you're a single guy living alone and you're running up a $200+/month electric bill, something is wrong. I'll bet you've got a hot water leak somewhere.
 
Yes, the lower temp setting is more efficient, you will use less energy. Keep it cold enough and you will save electricity and water because your showers will be real quick. If you are gone 1/2 the time ever thought about cranking the heat way down or even shutting it off when you are not there? However, if it is located in an non heated/insulated area don't shut it off in MI winter.
 
You realize it takes more energy to heat water in a tank that has been off for 20 hours every day, as opposed to keeping it on and having it just maintain a single temp.

Try keeping the hot water heater on all the time and insulate the tank and water lines; it'll be cheaper.

The best way is to install a tankless hot water heater. They only turn on when needed and are only heating the water passing through the heater, not a 40, 60, 80, etc. gallon tank


bob
 
Agree with WFW; if your tank is well-insulated, just set your temp at a desired level and leave it alone unless you're gonna be gone for more than a couple of days. The tank holds water temp very well when not used. This week I had some plumbing to do, so I turned my water heater off about 2 in the afternoon. At 10 that night I took a shower (heater still off) and I couldn't even tell the difference.
 
(quoted from post at 10:16:04 10/01/11) If you're a single guy living alone and you're running up a $200+/month electric bill, something is wrong. I'll bet you've got a hot water leak somewhere.

Or some defective/inadequate wiring or maybe a neighbor is actually tapped into your electric system?
 
That seems kind of high, but then I don't know what your electric rates are. How many KWhours do you use in a month?

If you are using lots more KWhours than you think you should be, I would wonder if your electric meter is working accurately, and if so, where the excess electricity is going or being used. Having someone watch the electric meter as you individually turn on breakers can help you determine if any circuit has "phantom" loads. If the wheel on the meter turns when all the breakers except one are off, that circuit is using electricity.

Do you have a well? Pumps and other parts of water systems can go bad and use a lot of electricity. If your pump cycles too often, you might be losing water somewhere in your system. I once had the internal check valve in my submersible pump fail, which allowed the water in the pressure tank to quickly leak back into the well. The pump would cycle on and off about every 5 minutes. I will never install another submersible pump without adding an external check valve, which fixed the problem fairly cheaply. We pump a lot of water in the Summer, and our highest electric use is always in August, although part of that is because the air conditioning is also used a lot then.

We heat with natural gas, both the home and our hot water and I think that is about the cheapest way to go here. But you have to have access to a gas line. Propane is lots more expensive than natural gas, but if electric rates are high enough, it might pay to heat your water that way. If natural gas is an option, it might well be the best investment for heating air or water.

Years ago we lived in a mobile home that was all electric. It wasn't super well insulated and it gets very cold here in the Winter. Sometimes I had electric bills that went over $300, and that was a lot more money back in 1976 than it is now! I installed a special mobile home wood stove, doing the installation legally with permits and inspections. The wood stove allowed my electric bills to go down to about $100/month and I figured the stove payed for itself in a couple of years. But then a few years later, my insurance company decided that they would cancel ALL of the policies they had on mobile homes with wood stoves. I ended up paying huge insurance rates because my mobile home had a wood stove. We ended up building a new, much larger, well insulated conventional house and the mobile home went down the road. We were able to hook up to the natural gas line when we built the house, and I did not add any wood burning capability to the new construction. Our total energy bills for the home very seldom go over $300/month now, and probably average about $200. Gas use goes up when it is cold outside, but in the Summer, the gas bill is sometimes less than $30/month, and we use quite a bit of hot water all the time.

If I was pretty sure that an electric water heater was using excess power, I would test that theory by shutting off the water heater at the breaker for a set time period of maybe a week, and then compare the electric use for the same amount of time with the water heater on. I know that would be a hassle, but if you heated the water you needed for household use on the electric range, it might show you how much the water heater is actually using.

After my parents moved off the farm, we sold the buildings and 10 acres to a couple. A few months later, they complained that the electric use was out of sight, and it was lots higher than we had ever experienced. It turned out that somehow the water heater, which had been in the house at least 30 years, had gone bad. They replace it, and the electric bill came back down. I don't know what was wrong with the heater, but obviously, they can go bad on you.

To answer your question about water temperature, everything I have ever read has said that keeping the water at a lower temperature (usually 120 degrees) is supposed to be the most efficient for home use. Good luck, hope you find out what is causing the high bills!
 
A dishwasher calls for 140* water so anything less will leave dirty dishes and for other uses if you have it set at 110* you will only have that many gallons avaible but set at 140* it will mix with cold water to give you more gallons @ 110* to use. I keep mine set as high as it will go all the time, have a 40 gal and if would turn lower would have to have a 50 gal unit, and I have had the burner (gas) shut off for 2 days straight with no water use and when burner turned back on water was still hot enough heater did not light till water was used. Heater was in bathroom so any heat was used in winter for house heating and summer window was open so did not make a difference on air conditioning that we did not have.
 
Authorities are advertising the lower temperatures because of the number of children receiving burns from the higher and what most would call standard temps.
 
If it is not done already, insulate the tank and pipes.

That said, we installed an lp tankless water heater a few years ago and we are happy with it. It only heats water when you want some and you never run out.

The new water heater and a new furnace cut our lp use in half.
 

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