Deutz tractors??

Anonymous-0 · Jan 10, 2011

Just curious if anyone has experience with them (air cooled diesel 50+/- HP models)

Wasn't really looking, but ran across one local for a real good price in good shape with cab and loader. This one is 52HP. Got a lot of hours (9k) on it but starts easy and runs smooth with no smoke. Not real common in this area so don't have anyone to ask.

Thanks, Dave

Anonymous-0 · Jan 10, 2011

Dave, A neighbor of mine had them, he loved the air cooled motors, and they were very economical on fuel. The only time I remember he had a breakdown, was when he left his 40 HP hooked to a corn drier, and one of those little 3 dollar plastic oil lines broke or melted off, draining all the oil out, and trashing the motor. He was a good mechanic, and rebuilt it, still has it, I think. I remember him saying how easy the rebuild was, each cylinder was bolted to the block, and to bore them, you just took them off with 4 or 6 bolts, I think.

rustred · Jan 10, 2011

couple of our neighbours had them. the on guy braggs them up a lot. i think they are ok for a german machine,seam to be kinda noisy and rattlely to me, but he put a lot of hrs. on his.he had the old green #65 i believe it was. the other guy had the newer orange one. i would rate it better than the belarus.

cadet trooper · Jan 10, 2011

Very fuel efficent tractor and handy but kinda crude as far as American comforts like powershift etc. The only thing I've found is when you use it in an a small are in extremely cold weather the fumes get unbearable and even the birds and livestock are ready to bale out and your eyes start burning. MTCW

cadet trooper · Jan 10, 2011

Very fuel efficent tractor and handy but kinda crude as far as American comforts like powershift etc. The only thing I've found is when you use it in an a small are in extremely cold weather the fumes get unbearable and even the birds and livestock are ready to bale out and your eyes start burning. MTCW

KSTractor · Jan 10, 2011

What would you like to know? I was a dealer for them 1975-1981 in Wisconsin.I sold about 80 tractors new and used most never came back for any repairs and are still running.The engines are really tough good fuel economy and a lot of torque at any speed. Most parts are the same from the 2,3,4,5,6,and 6 cyl.with turbo. One year in the late 70's Deutz was #3 for sales in Wis.Where are you and what model#are you looking at?

JDemaris · Jan 10, 2011

My neighbor ran through two engines in his. He was a long-time Deere owner with two 4020s and a 3020. He wanted to trade in one of his 4020s for something a little bigger - to pull some big chisel plows. He reluctantly bought a Deutz-Allis DX 7.10 140 horse 4WD tractor. He said the Deere he wanted was too expensive. So, he bought the Deutz outright and kept all his Deere also. He hated it from the day he got it. I had to work on it many times and most repairs were minor - except for two clutchs, and the front drive axle falling apart. He complained about the noise also, along with the lack of a block heater for cold-winter starting. He kept a oil-fired space heater outside and would point it at the engine, run for half an hour, and start it that way. First engine siezed up at 4000 hours. He threw a blower-belt and overheated it. That was 100% his fault. 2nd engine blew up a few years later - but it was a used engine when we installed it. Hours unknown. He sold the farm a few years ago and retired. The new owner put another engine in the Deutz, and not long after it burnt to the ground. Really hot fire and I have no idea what caused it. I could of bought it for $1000, put passed it up. My friend might not have taken as good care of it because he hated it - but he had very few problems with his Deere tractors. I did two engine jobs on one of his 4020s, and he got around 10,000 hours each time. I'll note that that tractor salvage yard near me has many Deutz tractors and all are half-melted. Fires seem to be problem if brush collects around the engine.

DCM · Jan 10, 2011

FIL has one of those green models from about 15-18 yrs ago and
its still going strong, biggest issue with it was the AC unit, has
outlasted 2 JDs and a MF, to be fair it has no loader so its gets
less hours but quite trouble free.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 10, 2011

(quoted from post at 17:01:54 01/10/11) What would you like to know? I was a dealer for them 1975-1981 in Wisconsin.I sold about 80 tractors new and used most never came back for any repairs and are still running.The engines are really tough good fuel economy and a lot of torque at any speed. Most parts are the same from the 2,3,4,5,6,and 6 cyl.with turbo. One year in the late 70's Deutz was #3 for sales in Wis.Where are you and what model#are you looking at?

I am in the land of Deutz, just not many in my immediate area. The one I saw was a 5506.

Just thinking that deutz might be an option and they seem to be priced better than red ones. Like the idea of not having to maintain a cooling system and no frost damage.

Dave

bison · Jan 10, 2011

These deutz engines are exellent for standby power plants or compressors but I don't like them in tractors cuz there is to much dust collecting in the cooling fins,spilling fuel(tank over fill) on it or a small oil leak makes it worse.
Frequent cleaning of the cylinders is a must or you be in the shop more than in the field.
Parts are stupendiously expensive as well.
I fixed plenty back in europe,i wouldn't wanna own one.

syco · Jan 10, 2011

was a deutz mechanic for twenty years 06 model was good dx models were not. gerald

JOCCO · Jan 10, 2011

I have used them for years along with agco and same tractors. For the most part i would be more concerned about the operator!!!

NY Jon · Jan 10, 2011

I work in a Deutz shop and we hardly ever see any problems that were not caused by hired help . Mostly head gaskets .Simple and cheap kits.

KSTractor · Jan 10, 2011

5506's were made 1974 or before 4cyl 4spd with hi,low,and reverse ranges some had 2stage clutch pto and others independant pto, big lever left of the dash is the pto clutch.1975 they were replaced by the 6206 ,syncrow trans larger hyd pump 16.9x30 rear tires.A few years ago I bought a 6206 that I think was the last one I sold new in 1980 I use it to pull a 12' Land Pride mower or a 315 woods mower for cutting weeds then go use a 2640 Deere to do the same thing with a 6' woods 35miles away and kick my self that we didn't sell more 6206's The Deutz is easier to get on and off of you can shift it up or down with out stopping don't have to fight 2 levers to get it into park just set the parking brake.The Deere steers easier but not always were you want it to go and its brakes require less pressure but may go to the floor and not slow you down at all

VicS · Jan 10, 2011

A good friend of mine has a air cooled 9130 AGCO it
is painted Orange and the trans feels like a White.
He brags on it when ever tractors are mentioned. I
have drove it Rides good and is fairly quiet in the
cab.it seems to have a lot more power than 130 hp.
It is getting pretty old and he has had zero
trouble.

Brad Gyde · Jan 10, 2011

Dave,

I don't have a lot of Deutz TRACTOR knowledge.. BUT.. as far as power units, I've ran a few of em.

On a tractor, they're right, you got to keep an eye on the jugs.. There's a panel that opens up on one side or the other.. Have to keep it cleaned out well or they overheat or possibly start fire.

Grandpa had a newer deutz-allis (9190) when I was younger.. I think it had around 3500 hours on it when they sold it.. Only thing I can remember them ever doing to it was a a/c compressor (and of course, the routine maintenance)

Their tiling machines (the last 2 anyhow) were both German built, I think they were both V10's..
The first was bought used, but "fully reconditioned" from a dealer here in the states.. They had a h3ll of a time with it.. cracked jugs, blown head gaskets, burnt pistons.. Dealer put a different engine in it about 6 months after the purchase (apparently, they didn't recon the engine too well).
The 2nd tiling machine they've had now for 12 years.. 10k hours on the clock, runs and starts as good as when it was new, and uses less than half a gallon of oil between changes. Grandpa has never said a word about hard cold starts, but we don't do much tiling in the winter though.

At work, we have a lot of small (2 3 and 4 cylinder) deutz power units. I can't attest for the maintenance, or how many "trouble free" hours, but, the ones I have run seem to start well, run strong, and seem good on fuel.. To me, they do seem a little noisy, and seem to vibrate more than some of the others.. But seem to be low maintenance.

Brad

Anonymous-0 · Jan 10, 2011

I worked heavy construction and there were several 40 ton 6X6 off road trucks with Deutz motors. They seemed to run just as good as the Cats, Volvo, and Komatso. Being a excavator operator I never got to drive one, except for a load or two.

Down under farmer · Jan 10, 2011

Dave we run 4 of them haven't had any trouble with them that was not caused from trying to do something they wont suppose to do. 6206 16000 hrs and just had its 1st engine rebuild and had sum trouble with the back end years ago but that was from over pulling it. 7206 it has been the best but should have gone to a salvage yard before we bought it. 22000 hrs when clock stoped put new moter in it 6000 hrs ago probably needs another now lots of oil leaks as well but just runs the silage mixer which isn't the best job. Dx 630 12000 hrs no probs and a Dx 140 with loader with 7500 hrs with no trouble. Rebuild kits are cheap and easy to do. Head gaskets are a weak point had to replace one on every tractor this year but thats not a big job and never had to do that many before this year. The 06's are great on fuel not real impressed with the dxs but still ain't that bad

JDseller · Jan 11, 2011

I have owned two different Deutz tractors, bought both new. A DX 3.5 and a 6275. I liked both, the 3.5 was under powered. They both started very well in cold weather. They both had an intake heater that you engaged by pushing the key in. Hold it for about thirty seconds and crank the engine to start. I NEVER had them not start. Traded the 3.5 in on the 6275. I owned it for four years and a buddy love to use it so I sold it to him for what I had gave for it. I found out that the new ones had gone up five thousand dollars in price, I could by a JD for less money. I bought a new JD 2755.

mmidlam · Jan 11, 2011

the 06 series were good. The worse thing about my 9006 is its a little difficult to get your leg and foot pass the gear shifter. The DX series were known to have weak transmissions and ring/pinion.

ryanwheelock · Jan 11, 2011

Always thought it was neat to see them run the engine rotation either way, seen a guy start the engine and it would go a foot or 2 forward and then engine rotation would change and then go a foot or 2 backwards and the guy would get off the tractor. (pretty sure it was a Deutz or maybe a Lanz bulldog???)

MattE · Jan 11, 2011

I love mine. I was a bit skeptical as you are when I bought it, but I couldn't pass the deal up. I have a 4506 and work it hard. I open up the panel on the engine and hit it with a pressure washer twice a season and have had no problems. It does smoke when it's below twenty degrees, but starts without a problem.

Bill(Wis) · Jan 11, 2011

I believe you'll be OK with one that has been used only in Germany. European farmers either operate in a much more dust free environment than US farmers or don't mind getting off the tractor to clean the cooling fins quite often. Probably a little of each. US farmers routinely overheat them. I don't think I'd touch one over here. An old retired Allis dealer told me that US farmers hated the pea green color too. I'm fairly color blind when it comes to tractors but Duetz green is pretty ugly.

farmerbrad123 · Jan 12, 2011

We have 4 dx models 2 dx160 and 2 dx7.10 as well as a 130-06 and have been very happy with all of them.. Getting hard to find parts and cannot find shop manuals for the tractors

S Harrison · Aug 17, 2011

Good Morning NY Jon...
Just bought a DX 140 and found there is a brake problem. Thinking it is a cracked master cylinder. Any advice? Where to look, what to do? Quick fix? Things to watch out for? We'll be using the tractor mainly as a power plant for a grain sucker.
Thanks
S Harrison

Anonymous-0 · Aug 17, 2011

(quoted from post at 07:20:00 08/17/11) Good Morning NY Jon...
Just bought a DX 140 and found there is a brake problem. Thinking it is a cracked master cylinder. Any advice? Where to look, what to do? Quick fix? Things to watch out for? We'll be using the tractor mainly as a power plant for a grain sucker.
Thanks
S Harrison

You may want to post this as a fresh thread. A lot of these folks use the classic view and won't dig back this far to see your question.

Dave

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