Green???? Not tractors!

oldtanker

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The Green Thing

In the line at the store, the cashier told an older woman that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment.

The woman apologized to her and explained, "We didn't have the green thing back in my day."

The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment."

He was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.

But we didn't have the green thing back in our day.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.

Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw-away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that old lady is right; we didn't have the green thing back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.

In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.

When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used a wadded up old newspaper to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.

Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she's right; we didn't have the green thing back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water.

We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

But we didn't have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service.

We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then?

This was sent by a freind!

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 05:42:46 07/23/11) The Green Thing

In the line at the store, the cashier told an older woman that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment.

The woman apologized to her and explained, "We didn't have the green thing back in my day."

The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment."

He was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.

But we didn't have the green thing back in our day.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.

Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw-away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that old lady is right; we didn't have the green thing back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.

In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.

When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used a wadded up old newspaper to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.

Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she's right; we didn't have the green thing back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water.

We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

But we didn't have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service.

We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then?

This was sent by a freind!

Rick

There is a lot of blame to go around...we can either cut back on the worlds population...and have all the luxurys. Or we can go back to days gone by, live without a/c...plastic bags and leaf blowers..might be able to sustain 7,000,000,000 people on the planet. For awhile
 
probably alot of truth to this but I must say I prefered to throw a switch on the silo unloader and gutter cleaner and vaccum pump when we milked versus doing it all by hand!
 


LOL me too! And don't forget the greatest invention.....the barn cleaner.

I think the whole point is that we have done some things that defy logic like non returnable plastic bottles, push lawn mowers (can't believe how many people I see mowing postage stamp sized lawns on riders) and the mom is a taxi thing. heck when I was a kid if I wanted to go someplace I had a bike. If it was raining I got wet! When we moved to farm country in 71 I was 16. A lot of farmers did have the barn cleaners, silo unloaders and milkers but in the house they had one TV. The wife had a mixer and maybe a blender. Now the wife has a dicer and slicer and this and that. People didn't jump in thier truck or SUV and drive 40 miles for something they really didn't need or could get locally. Yea yesteryears cars may not have had the reduced emissions and drank more gas but we didn't just go without reason.

Rick
 
That sort of reminds me of something that happened to me on the 4th of July. The church my wife goes to has a picnic on that day. I took a 1/2 pint jar of my canned sweet jalapeno slices to it. When it was time for clean up I looked all over the place for my jar. Well some one had thrown it in the trash. One gal found it for me and I said what the heck don't people understand you do not throw away canning jars you reuse them yep people do not understand what really being green is they just talk about it but do not really do it
 
Not really. We have a quite sustainable supply of petroleum available to us for the foreseeable future. Plenty of coal, too.

Unless we handcuff ourselves in the chains of stupidity.
 


Phil you are right about that. The point I was making is that with the extra driving being done today we are really not cutting emissions because we are driving that much more and we are still burning more gas cause we are driving more. Heck I own a full sized SUV and wouldn't think about buying a hybred or econemy car. I'm not a tree hugger in that sense. I do think it's amuzing that all these folks are calling out for us to be more "green" but that our habits, the throw away plastic bottles, disposable diapers and so on are not as good as some of the way things were done in the past. I'm as guilty as the next person over this.

We are 90 miles from Fargo. When we first moved here and I was in high school the local kids thought it was a big deal to go to the county seat 30 miles away. Now these same people think nothing of driving to Fargo on a lark. Just plain simple math here. Drive 16 miles round trip with a car that got 15 MPG to town compared to driving 180 miles round trip with car that gets 30. And I'd bet that the car being driven 180 miles will put out more emissions than the car being driven 16. Then listen to someone lecture me about how bad my SUV is!

Rick
 
I wish returnable glass bottles would make a comeback.

Soda always seemed to taste much better out of glass as opposed to plastic.
 
That's how I buy mine from a local soda company :)

I think the "old fashion" line made with real sugar is 50 cents per 12oz bottle.

Bottles are heavier then the beer bottles, etc you buy these days too -- because they actually re-use the bottles, not crush them for recycling.

Company's been around since 1912, but they're using the green movement as their hook...saw a display board at their shop last time explaining how they clean the bottles (180º water w/ lye -- heated using waste vegetable oil they collect from local restaurants).
 
Phil in Pa,

Didn't we run out of petroleum back in the '70s, those long line ups for just $5. worth at a time.

'Oh' and when the crises was over, they just found more some place.
lol
 
A few days ago I heard a report on the TV that the Green cloth bags are a health hazard.
If you buy a chicken and drop it a bag then drop in other items and the chicken bag leaks the other food products or containers could have been contaminated. The contamination will stay in the bag when you take it back to refill. Say you open a package of cookies and hand them to your kids. Not many people will wash the cookie package.

Green just keeps biting back in most all cases.
 
Back in the day, we dumped our waste oil on the ground. There was no recycling. And the local garages all had floor drains that ran straight into the river.

Returnable bottles? Well, I used to pick up spare change by collecting pop bottles from the road ditch. There were plenty of them, too. Non-returnable bottles and beer cans? Left those lying in the ditch.

Old tires? Take 'em to the dump, which would regularly catch fire.

A car that would get over 20 mpg on the highway was rare.

Today, we consume natural resources at an alarming rate, so nobody can say we have much to be proud of. But anyone who claims we were "green" back in the old days has poor memory.
 
What's an alarming rate, Mark?

And let's add a few to that list.

That generation was canning. So not only were vegeatables not shipped thousands of miles to the consumer, the canning jars were reused too. And I bet those veggies would be considered organic today.

My mother and her sisters wore feedsack dresses, like millions of others. See if you can get the kids of today to go along with that.

Almost nothing was ever thrown away or discarded. Everything had a second or even third use.

Along with canning, almost everything consumed was grown on the farm - Chickens, beef, pork.

Mother Earth can take care of herself, I'm not concerned in the least. If people want to buy into GW BS that's their right, but don't push that crap on me. That entire movement is all about wealth redistribution, with useful idiots paving the way.
 
Boy, RED is right, that's some alarming communist propaganda. How do you, or anyone, know what the planet can support? You don't, nor does anyone else.

It's true, if you don't believe in something, you'll fall for anything.

I suppose you believed them when they told you we were heading for an unstoppable Ice Age too?
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Indeed. Many hundreds of years of oil, coal, and gas. By then maybe we'll have naturally moved on to something else, like some of those Jetson's flying cars that run on air, but until then we still have plenty of fuel.

And the air today is much cleaner than 40 or 50 years ago. This is Pittsburg during the day, complete with street light burning. Yes, I think it's cleaner today.
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Mark not claiming that we were completely green back in the old day. I'm saying that some of the things we took for granted were much more enviormently freindly than some of the things we are doing today. Yea the dumping of oil and waste into our lands and water were not good. But throw away bottles are not very good. I'm thinking that maybe we should be combining some of the old with the new.

My wife graduated from a sustainable farming program this spring....they were "taught" how to can things! Some of the things taught were kinda funny at the time but now, looking back kinda sad that these things had to be on the course curriculum.


Rick
 
Red,

I consider any rate of consumption "alarming" if it's not sustainable in the long term. The list of resources we're currently consuming at unsustainable rates is pretty long, but it would include groundwater, petroleum and marine fisheries.

The frugality of of our parents was by necessity, not choice. Would they have chosen feedsack cloth if they had a choice? Probably not. They canned because refrigeration was not an option.

Let's not forget that our grandparents and great-grandparents were responsible for the greatest environmental disaster in history: The Dust Bowl.
 
(quoted from post at 16:56:02 07/24/11) Red,

I consider any rate of consumption "alarming" if it's not sustainable in the long term. The list of resources we're currently consuming at unsustainable rates is pretty long, but it would include groundwater, petroleum and marine fisheries.

The frugality of of our parents was by necessity, not choice. Would they have chosen feedsack cloth if they had a choice? Probably not. They canned because refrigeration was not an option.

Let's not forget that our grandparents and great-grandparents were responsible for the greatest environmental disaster in history: The Dust Bowl.


Mark yea they did cause the "dust bowl". And they are getting ready to do it again. The number of farms taking out tree rows and tilling every square inch they can is astounding!

Rick
 

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