e-85 +dieselfuel or advance timing

Anonymous-0 · Jun 6, 2011

been successfully running e-85 in my Gasser Case tractors , in extreeme cold i run half with regular gas ,. NOW , I think I should do the same in hot summer as well ?,been hearing that perhaps the timing should be advanced to diminish summertime heat , I wonder if a 5%diesel addition would do just as well ..., The DC and 730 occassionally get a heavy workout,, so far so good , I HAVE NO PROBLEMS , .but, a neighbor warns that the tops of the pistons could burn up under extreme work and hot conditions..

BushogPapa · Jun 6, 2011

2 Biggest dangers are running LEAN or too much advance..

Ron..

rustyfarmall · Jun 6, 2011

(quoted from post at 05:07:56 06/06/11) been successfully running e-85 in my Gasser Case tractors , in extreeme cold i run half with regular gas ,. NOW , I think I should do the same in hot summer as well ?,been hearing that perhaps the timing should be advanced to diminish summertime heat , I wonder if a 5%diesel addition would do just as well ..., The DC and 730 occassionally get a heavy workout,, so far so good , I HAVE NO PROBLEMS , .but, a neighbor warns that the tops of the pistons could burn up under extreme work and hot conditions..

I've just started using the e-85 in my Farmall H. Since there already was about 2 gallons of e-10 in the tank, and I poured in 5 gallons of e-85, I am not yet running straight e-85, but I did need to open the load screw 1/2 turn more to get rid of the slight "stumble" when quickly opening the throttle. 1/2 turn was enough, but I anticipate needing to open it a bit more when running 100% e-85.

e-85 is rated at 95 octane, or 105 octane, depending on which theory you want to subscribe to, so yes, you could probably advance the ignition timing somewhat to take advantage of the higher octane. How much I do not know.

The e-85 also burns considerably cooler than regular gasoline, so I do not anticipate a problem with the top of the pistons burning.

My Farmall H is equipped with a 6' Woods belly mower, so the tractor DOES work, but not extremely hard.

skip33652 · Jun 6, 2011

alcohol burns cooler than gasoline and diesel can have an unpredictabl flash ( ping)so I dont know what your trying to accomplish.

dej(Jed) · Jun 6, 2011

E85 is actually about 70 % ethanol. It runs cooler because it lacks the BTU value of a gasoline. I would not be concerned about burning a piston top. Over the years you couldn't believe some of the garbage fuel these old tractors have had dumped in them.

MSD · Jun 6, 2011

I've found that after they warm up, they run just as good on the original settings with E-85. I run the E-30 in everything now with no problems.

MarkB_MI · Jun 6, 2011

Perhaps you can explain WHY you want to do this? Unless your purpose is to demonstrate how much abuse your tractors can take, it's not readily apparent.

BushogPapa · Jun 6, 2011

E-85 can tolerate more compression..

To get the most out of it...

Ron..

mkirsch · Jun 6, 2011

Do WHAT exactly?

Run E85 fuel? You're free to believe the MYTHS, HALF-TRUTHS, outright LIES, and old wives' tales about ethanol that you want, but I'll trust science and my own personal experience.

Most people's perceived problems with ethanol are caused by something other than the ethanol. Usually it's lack of maintenance and/or abuse, but ethanol is a convenient scapegoat for mechanics who don't want to alienate their customers (or hurt their businesses) by telling the truth.

rustyfarmall · Jun 6, 2011

(quoted from post at 09:59:55 06/06/11) Do WHAT exactly?

Run E85 fuel? You're free to believe the MYTHS, HALF-TRUTHS, outright LIES, and old wives' tales about ethanol that you want, but I'll trust science and my own personal experience.

Most people's perceived problems with ethanol are caused by something other than the ethanol. Usually it's lack of maintenance and/or abuse, but ethanol is a convenient scapegoat for mechanics who don't want to alienate their customers (or hurt their businesses) by telling the truth.

Exactly!! I've been using E-10 in everything I own for about 30 years now with absolutely NONE of those symptoms described by the folks who have NEVER used it. Ethanol is GOOD for any fuel system, and it is GOOD for any internal combustion engine. The E-85 takes it one step further but does require just a little tweaking of the fuel delivery system. The folks down in Brazil have been using E-100 for quite a few tears now, and if it works for them, it will work for us.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 6, 2011

simmer down guys ,, been known in the neighborhood for pioneering ethanol use here , AND AN STILL learning .. and some folx are throwing tomatoes a t me ,,. some of you guys don't need to help them .. Will e-85 BURN HOLES in piston s when pulling hard? Does Advancing timing enhance performance? .what if any is gained by adding diesel fuel ?? .. all these questions beg an intelligent answer ,. , i do know ,that E-85 Destroyed the fuel pump gaskets in m 1986 Dodge 318 and 1975 grain truck ..it also destroyed the seals in the lift FUELpump on the MASSEY FERguson 300 combine the gaskets turned into jell ,. ,, NOW THAT happened , But ALL those Engines ran fine with minor adjustments ,,. IF the Pump industry would make pumps that w ere ethanol tolerant,, these motors would run fine

rustyfarmall · Jun 6, 2011

(quoted from post at 11:25:06 06/06/11) simmer down guys ,, been known in the neighborhood for pioneering ethanol use here , AND AN STILL learning .. and some folx are throwing tomatoes a t me ,,. some of you guys don't need to help them .. Will e-85 BURN HOLES in piston s when pulling hard? Does Advancing timing enhance performance? .what if any is gained by adding diesel fuel ?? .. all these questions beg an intelligent answer ,. , i do know ,that E-85 Destroyed the fuel pump gaskets in m 1986 Dodge 318 and 1975 grain truck ..it also destroyed the seals in the lift FUELpump on the MASSEY FERguson 300 combine the gaskets turned into jell ,. ,, NOW THAT happened , But ALL those Engines ran fine with minor adjustments ,,. IF the Pump industry would make pumps that w ere ethanol tolerant,, these motors would run fine

I imagine that if gasoline was still the fuel of choice for farm equipment, then ALL components of the fuel system WOULD be ethanol tolerant. I am also just starting to experiment with the E-85 in my '01 Chevy truck. I've tried researching the subject on the 'net, but all I can find is discussion forums sponsored by companies who want to sell me a $500 conversion kit, and I can't find any independent discussions from folks like you and me. It would be helpful I think to find a discussion forum for folks who do believe ethanol is a viable fuel, and just want to compare notes.

Jon Hagen · Jun 6, 2011

This U tube video is interesting as to dispeling some of the myths about ethanol and running it in a non FFV.
My old 92 chev has been running fine on straight E85 for a year. Mpg drop is about 10% and E 85 price is 80 cents cheaper than gasoline.
105, 000 miles on E85 in a non FFV truck.

Jon Hagen · Jun 6, 2011

I don't think I would add diesel fuel for hot weather. A bit more ignition timing may be of benifit as long as you limit it to about 5 degrees more to take advantage of the higher octane.
As long your careful not to run it lean, should not hurt the pistons. As stated by others, alcohol actually burns cooler than gasoline as long as you do not get it dead lean.

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