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Mike S 806/H 12-27-2008 10:39:35 75.128.142.169 2870 Report to Moderator	Im going from Bay City Michigan to Milwaukee Wisconsin with 3/4 ton truck and 14000 gvw trailer to pickup a skidsteer. Do I need to stop at the weight stations? I have my company name on the truck and the skidsteer is for my use. [Reply]   [Send Email]
kevinj54 03-26-2009 12:17:01 69.130.235.250 3256 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Stroked550, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   john_Bud said: (quoted from post at 09:33:06 03/26/09) Looks like MI is more lenient than WI. Here the firefighters need CDL, the salt and plow trucks need CDL, Farmers over (I think) 35k need a CDL and there is no provision for personal property transport. Still< I don't think you can live the loop hole out of state for the personal property. Thanks for looking it up. jb The farmer is limited to 150 miles with a special endorsment and must have a CDL for haz mat. As far as personal....don't other states have to honor your states driver liscenses?   [Reply]   [No Email]
kevinj54 03-25-2009 16:45:19 71.120.129.115 3251 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Nick Lenarz, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   john_Bud said: (quoted from post at 13:14:17 03/25/09) Greasey Hand said: (quoted from post at 09:05:54 03/21/09) there is no cdl for farmers or privet guys on things of your own hauling. some smart mouth people dont understand that. You people go check on it than maybe you will get your shi? streight. I've checked with my state DMV, the drivers license place and the local highway patrol. Several hours worth. Your statements, at least in my state, are not correct. There are places in the rules and regs where farmers are exempted up to a certain weight that is over the 26k and the 10,001 for USDOT numbers. But there is not a blanket free run no CDL needed at any weight loophole. At least not that I have found! If you know about it, please enlighten us - it would be helpful. jb JB Below is the exemptions in the Michigan CDL guide. Are There CDL Exemptions? The following people do NOT need a Commercial Driver License (CDL): �� ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY: Operating military vehicles with military licenses (includes National Guard). �� POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS: Operating authorized emergency vehicles. �� FARMERS: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm. • An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the Fendorsement. The F-endorsement is NOT a CDL. • Farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placards while operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement. �� INDIVIDUALS: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.   [Reply]   [No Email]
john_Bud 03-26-2009 06:33:06 67.142.162.20 3254 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to kevinj54, 03-25-2009 16:45:19   Looks like MI is more lenient than WI. Here the firefighters need CDL, the salt and plow trucks need CDL, Farmers over (I think) 35k need a CDL and there is no provision for personal property transport. Still< I don't think you can live the loop hole out of state for the personal property. Thanks for looking it up. jb   [Reply]   [No Email]
Greasey Hand 03-21-2009 09:05:54 64.61.220.16 3234 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   there is no cdl for farmers or privet guys on things of your own hauling. some smart mouth people dont understand that. You people go check on it than maybe you will get your shi? streight.   [Reply]   [No Email]
john_Bud 03-25-2009 10:14:17 67.142.162.20 3250 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Greasey Hand, 03-21-2009 09:05:54   Greasey Hand said: (quoted from post at 09:05:54 03/21/09) there is no cdl for farmers or privet guys on things of your own hauling. some smart mouth people dont understand that. You people go check on it than maybe you will get your shi? streight. I've checked with my state DMV, the drivers license place and the local highway patrol. Several hours worth. Your statements, at least in my state, are not correct. There are places in the rules and regs where farmers are exempted up to a certain weight that is over the 26k and the 10,001 for USDOT numbers. But there is not a blanket free run no CDL needed at any weight loophole. At least not that I have found! If you know about it, please enlighten us - it would be helpful. jb   [Reply]   [No Email]
mike lee 01-23-2009 19:35:19 204.110.227.11 3016 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   I guess that's why we have dot cops and weigh stations. Ignorance must be bliss. We have these amatuer truckers running around hauling with, minimal, if any insurance, no knowledge of the rules and regulations, and no consideration for the motoring public. If you are going to be hauling something, educate yourself, know the rules, comply with the regulations. It would make life easier for those of us that make a living behind the wheel of a truck.   [Reply]   [No Email]
showcrop 01-07-2009 18:43:09 75.67.222.130 2934 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   If you want correct information go to your local registry and ask for the book to study for getting your CDL. It has all the answers starting with what type of trucks and combinations you need a CDL for   [Reply]   [No Email]
farmall_51 01-04-2009 18:12:59 75.23.80.139 2924 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   Do you have d plates? Have you had the safety stickers on both the truck and trailer? Do you strap the load acording to the law? I work for IDOT and asked that same question to the head truck enforcement officer. I'm friends with. He told me a couple of things, One Hes loves to get contractors carring skid steers, two make sure you have your safety stickers, three no matter what stop at a scale unless your below the weight limit. The skid steer on trailer behind a 3/4 ton truck, is a favorite of cops because they know your over weight. Most contractors use a med to heavy car hauler trailer. And most people dont cross chain the skid steer. If you have d plates you always have to stop. But one thing i was told if i did get stop is tell the cop " that its a hobby" aka not for hire, you'll get a ticket and fines for sure.Good luck.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Brian Jasper co. Ia 01-25-2009 10:33:28 67.142.130.14 3024 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to farmall_51, 01-04-2009 18:12:59   farmall 51, what's a "D Plate"? In Iowa a "D" plate is a dealer plate for vehicle dealers and it would be illegal to haul anything in a truck with one. Hauling a skid loader with a 3/4 ton truck does not automatically mean you're overweight. When you register a trailer in Iowa it depends on which type it is. A goose neck 5th wheel type cargo trailer, requires the power unit to carry the amount of licensed weight. If it is a bumper hitch trailer, then the trailer is licensed for the weight. If the trailer has any type of living quarters permanently attached to it, it's licensed as an RV.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Jason1Pa. 01-02-2009 12:24:15 64.24.249.146 2908 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   I think you wouldn't have to stop,but I would check to see if your not over weight for your truck. I know that code inforcment police are a big thing in some states. They will wait at toll booths and stop anyone with anything. Your trailer with a 3/4 ton truck could be on the edge of being over weight with the trailer alone. Then when you put something on to it you will be over for sure. Also make sure all lights and break away sytem works. They do check all of that.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Ken Milton 12-31-2008 20:53:39 75.104.128.37 2900 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   No you don't have to stop. Even if you are supose to stop all they will do is wave you by. You can put a sign on your truck that says NOT FOR HIRE and that will make you leagle. CHIEF   [Reply]   [Send Email]
bruster 12-31-2008 13:03:36 75.179.42.48 2899 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   In Ohio and I believe PA, when the scales are open, any vehicle over 10,001 lbs is to pull in Ohio DOT inspectors love the smaller combo units that are grossed out past their weight rating on the door. Easiest thing to do would be to call the scales you have to cross, or your state DOT for information.   [Reply]   [No Email]
ricky c 12-30-2008 19:56:10 24.168.238.235 2894 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   i travel alot and the last time i was stopped they said if you are for hire and (you will not be able to convince them its yours with a name on the truck)and the truck gvw is over 10,000 you must stop. if the truck and trailer gvw is 26,001 and up you best have a cdl, health card, name on truck stickers and LOG BOOK. forgot my log book in tennessee and had to sit 8hrs and a fine. my 2 cents   [Reply]   [No Email]
Orangefever 12-28-2008 15:47:48 64.53.88.205 2885 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   over 10k you need dot numbers call your local DOT office (thier free) and because your truck is lettered you are a commercial vehical and you must stop or you can take the letters off the truck and put not for hire on the trailer and keep on truckin but youll still need the dot numbers   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Mike S 806/H 12-29-2008 21:54:48 68.188.177.50 2890 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Orangefever, 12-28-2008 15:47:48   I went and picked up the skidsteer Monday. Drove by 2 open weight stations on the way back no problems no dot numbers.   [Reply]   [No Email]
ramblineagle 12-30-2008 17:26:56 66.43.235.86 2893 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-29-2008 21:54:48   each state has a sign before the scale entrance that tells what vechiles must enter the scales. Ia. says all trucks over 6000 lbs gvw must enter. IL. over 16,000lbs, Ne. says all pickups/trucks with a trailer must enter scales.   [Reply]   [No Email]
rust master 12-30-2008 14:43:36 141.154.125.150 2892 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-29-2008 21:54:48   You are suppose to stop if the truck pulling the trailer is registered commercially. They are probably more interested in the bigger trucks though.   [Reply]   [No Email]
RickB 12-30-2008 03:19:17 74.209.25.101 2891 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-29-2008 21:54:48   So posting the question was a waste of time.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Ron Grother 12-28-2008 14:55:57 74.75.233.159 2884 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   I go on sundays that way the weight stations are closed. if they are open you have to stop   [Reply]   [Send Email]
K-3500 12-28-2008 07:37:50 12.213.112.59 2882 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   I only travel hiways that have no weigh stations.Its easy to find out where they are at.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Dennis Benson 12-27-2008 20:04:29 64.12.117.195 2877 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   Check this out http://www.coopsareopen.com/   [Reply]   [No Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com 12-27-2008 18:14:21 209.45.205.13 2873 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   Stop, its a requirement.   [Reply]   [No Email]
doug in illinois 12-27-2008 19:05:25 207.144.232.74 2875 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 12-27-2008 18:14:21   Do I remember right, any over 10K should have DOT numbers? I think he is still OK as to not needing CDL, isn't 26K the trigger point for it? The one thing that has me concerned for him is the business name on the truck, scale officer may have a hard time believing for personal use instead of business use. Hopefully they will cut him some slack. DOUG   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Dick W. 01-23-2009 08:30:45 69.248.169.44 3015 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to doug in illinois, 12-27-2008 19:05:25   Any trailer 10,001 GVWR and over, the driver needs a CDL-A license. Any vehicle over 10,001 GVWR, the driver needs a medical card. Have a good day.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com 12-28-2008 07:02:33 209.45.205.13 2881 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to doug in illinois, 12-27-2008 19:05:25   10,000 hits the DOT requirement. 26,000 gets the CDL requirement. Name on truck without proper numbers = trouble. These are what we call "goldmines" by the time the fines are paid.   [Reply]   [No Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com 12-28-2008 07:02:16 209.45.205.13 2880 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to doug in illinois, 12-27-2008 19:05:25   10,000 hits the DOT requirement. 26,000 gets the CDL requirement. Name on truck without proper numbers = trouble. These are what we call "goldmines" by the time the fines are paid.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Welding man 12-27-2008 13:37:19 65.216.168.2 2872 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   If you do stop and you don't have one the first thing they want to know is.Where is your USDOT number? That is another can of worms. I'd borrow a truck with no lettering drive on by and play dumb.   [Reply]   [No Email]
ericlb 12-27-2008 11:51:52 72.173.211.235 2871 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to Mike S 806/H, 12-27-2008 10:39:35   yes, stop at all of them, if your name is on the door for all they know your commercial, they may scale you or they may wave you on thru, but either beats what they will do if they have to fire up a cruiser and chase you down, most of these folks are not equipped with any sence of humor at all   [Reply]   [No Email]
Jeff-oh 01-06-2009 06:40:50 192.88.212.44 2932 Report to Moderator	Re: weight stations do I have to stop at them? in reply to ericlb, 12-27-2008 11:51:52   or reason.   [Reply]   [No Email]