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old 11-26-2012 08:31:29 209.86.226.32 Report to Moderator	Ok so 308W is 2.015 long and 30/30 brass is 2.039 long so can I use the 308 dies to reload 30/30 and that way I will not have to buy a new set of 30/30 dies Thanks. My think is both are 30 cal so since both are so close to being the same length the 308 die should work just fine if that die is ok and I have just had problems with cheap thin 308 brass [Reply]   [No Email]
Russ from MN 11-27-2012 06:48:14 68.235.89.15 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   Rich, you remind me of a neighbor we used to have, he was reloading some cartridges for an old lever gun. He said he just kept increasing the powder amount until the shot would knock the hammer back to half cock, then decrease it a little. Funny thing is he lived to and old age and died a natural death! [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-27-2012 07:38:50 209.86.226.19 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to Russ from MN, 11-27-2012 06:48:14   Reason I ask is to make sure I do things in a safe way. I have yet to ever load a hot load and all loads I have ever done are to the starting load and never much is any more then that and that is by scale not one of them little load cups you get with die sets [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles (in GA) 11-26-2012 17:42:06 24.181.70.1 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   Dies are relatively cheap, and I find used ones at the flea markets, antique stores, all sorts of odd places. Too easy to not use the right dies. Charles [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 17:56:40 209.86.226.19 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to Charles (in GA), 11-26-2012 17:42:06   Ya up till a couple years ago I had a place 7 miles from me that I would buy dies and powder and bullets from but ATF closed him down due to something about missing paper work and the poor guy had cancer and was on his last legs as it was. Getting hard to find that stuff used any more due to who we have in the not so white white house [Reply]  [No Email]
caterpillar guy 11-26-2012 15:55:21 68.188.235.228 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   One thing that is different is the 308 is a rebated rim and 30-30 is a rimmed cartridge this will require a different shell holder. The dims on the 308 are Length 2.015 angle degree 20 neck dia. .343 case dia. .454 case length to shoulder 1.56 case to bottom of shoulder 1.711 The 30-30 Length 2.039 angle degree 15 39' neck .332 case dia @ head .421 case dia @neck angle .401 case length to shoulder 1.35 case to bottom of shoulder 1.55 So I would conclude that it would not be the wisest thing but could possibly be done if no other means was available. These dims are from the 47TH edition Lyman manual. [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 16:50:53 209.86.226.19 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to caterpillar guy, 11-26-2012 15:55:21   Have the same reloading handbook just did not compare enough of the numbers to be sure [Reply]  [No Email]
jbp 11-26-2012 15:46:46 64.57.160.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   Neck sizing a 30-30 using a 308 die will not work as a 308 case neck OD is .343 inches. A 30-30 OD is .331 inches. A 30- 30 case neck is a lot thinner than a 308 case neck , so if you did try to use a 308 die it would be so oversize ID it would not hold a bullet in the case. Check your loading manual for both case ODs. Joe [Reply]  [No Email]
GeneMO 11-26-2012 13:06:00 71.1.106.8 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   Rich, as others have said, neck sizing will work, but you have to shoot it in the same gun. and it is only used in bolt actions. I am afraid it wouldn't work in a lever gun. You might get by with it once, but as the case stretches you will start to have real problems. Dont risk it. In my .270 bolt gun, I have experimented getting the die set to full length resize, the start backing it off a little. It works OK, and doesn't work the brass as much and will maybe get you a little longer case life. I have reloades some cases so many times that they eventually have a case head seperation. Close inspection will show a dark line just up from the rim of the cartridge. this is where it is getting thin. Good luck, Gene [Reply]  [No Email]
RGMartin 11-26-2012 15:26:40 173.189.130.203 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to GeneMO, 11-26-2012 13:06:00   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see It works fine in lever guns, just a little stickier to extract live rounds, but never been a problem for me. I I neck size only for my 35 Rem Marlin 336. The 35 Rem has a tiny shoulder for headspace, and full length sized cases will cause issues with missfires. [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 13:56:51 209.86.226.32 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to GeneMO, 11-26-2012 13:06:00   I have some 44mag brass that has been reloaded one time to many and has split the side out of it the last time I shot it which of coarse I can now no longer even think about using it [Reply]  [No Email]
MarkB_MI 11-26-2012 10:37:58 198.208.159.18 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   Neck sizing brass to be used in a lever-action gun is a bad idea. A set of FL sizing dies will cost you less than 30 bucks. They'll pay for themselves after 50 rounds. [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 13:04:10 209.86.226.32 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-26-2012 10:37:58   Figured they probably would not work but know that if I do not ask I may never know for sure. Wish Midway was a place you could walk into and buy because I will be in Columbia tomorrow and that is where midway is [Reply]  [No Email]
GordoSD 11-26-2012 15:58:31 64.33.250.162 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 13:04:10   If you order and pay online Midway will let you pivkup at the store and save shipping. Same way with Cabela's. [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 16:52:55 209.86.226.19 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to GordoSD, 11-26-2012 15:58:31   I know that but I will not have the $$ to pay for it til I am in Columbia so I can not order and then pick up since the $$ will not be here till I am there [Reply]  [No Email]
Stan in Oly, WA 11-26-2012 17:11:00 174.31.216.176 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 16:52:55   Credit card? [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 17:38:57 209.86.226.19 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2012 17:11:00   I have not and do not have one for years and will not have one ever [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 11-26-2012 10:27:26 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   in reallity,you can cut the die in two using just the neck sizing part and reload any cartridge of any style that uses a 308 bullet.BUT only untill case body dimensions get large enough you have trouble chambering in your firearm.in fact thats what a neck size only die does. not the best to do so of course but its been done jillions of times.for all intents and purposes,you dont even need the die or press. a block of hardwood with the proper sized hole will resize the neck, add powdwer,and push in a bullet,and your reloaded. [Reply]  [No Email]
RGMartin 11-26-2012 09:27:33 173.189.130.203 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   They will work, but will only "neck size" the case. The ammo can only be fired in the same gun as it was originally. [Reply]  [No Email]
Retired Farmer 11-26-2012 09:13:03 207.200.116.12 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   No! Not unless you want to take a chance of having your gun blow up in your face. [Reply]  [No Email]
Hoof print 11-26-2012 08:35:43 173.219.54.222 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 08:31:29   Rich, case deminsions are different. It won't work. [Reply]  [No Email]
old 11-26-2012 09:05:45 209.86.226.32 Report to Moderator	Re: Another reloading question (gun) in reply to Hoof print, 11-26-2012 08:35:43   Ya I only looked at how long both where I did not look to see all the other stuff but still the 30/30 seems like it would fit into the 308 die and neck sizing and popping the primer out is all I need but again I want a 30/30 set of dies any how just would like to save some time since it takes a week or more to get things shipped [Reply]  [No Email]