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NCWayne 11-15-2012 20:38:03 69.40.232.132 Report to Moderator	... or maybe I should say if you need something don't give up too quick. I've got two nearly identical Jackson welding helmets that take the same type of lens holder. My favorite that I keep on my service truck I've had for nearly 20 years and the other I keep in the shop I've had for probably 12 years or so. I've also got a third helmet that gets used by friends who want to watch, or use my welder for their own projects. Recently one of the lens holders broke so I started looking for a replacement. Seems Jackson, in their infinite wisdom, has discontinued a $5 part that effectively renders a $90 helmet worthless. I tried every local and online supplier/distributor I could find that said they carried parts, over the course of the past few months, and came up empty. You'd think a manufacturer of things like welding helmets would know that most guys that weld have their favorite helmets, and that those helmets are often personalized to some degree, and as such, care enough to continue stocking the parts to keep those helmets usable for their owners. I could inderstand if it was a $70 part for a $90 device, but when it's a injection molded part that can be made by the thousands, for pennies apiece, and sell for $5 or more, it just doesn't make sense to me. Granted, over time, they always make changes to things like the friction devices on their headgear (That's another stupid move if you ask me...Seriously if you have a good design and people like it, leave it the he!! alone....). Anyway, I've been able to find ways around that, to maintain what I like, but ultimately they at least still make a headgear that will fit the helmet so it remains usable. So, they ventually decide to the make the one, cheap part that makes it usable obsolete in order to render a whole helmet, that is otherrwise working and functionally no different than the 'latest and greatest' design unusable and as such candidate for the trash, all so they can sell you a new one made out of the latest and greatest 10 cent piece of plastic, etc, etc, and charge you an arm and a leg for it..... That said, I went out on a job about 2 hours away from me today and had to find somewhere to get a hydraulic hose made. Customer recommended a place right up the road from us so I lit out to see them. Turns out to be the kind of place I enjoy going into. By that I mean it's an older outfit, in a small town, that has a little bit of everything on their shelves. While waiting on the hose to be made I asked the lady behind the counter if she had any Jackson parts and told her what I needed. She said she believed she did and went back to look. She wound up having to get her ladder to reach the top shelf but in a few minutes she came back to the counter with a box full of the lens holders. I wound up buying all 10 of them from her. The way I see it I made out like a bandit. As much as I hate the way Jackson has done things, I know by buying the parts they might still be making a bit of a profit off of me, but now they are getting it on my terms. As it stands now, I will get a lifetime of use out of my three helmets now for less than $50 instead of having to pay them close to $300 to replace the complete helmets as that one part broke, and then still not know when they are going to decide to stop carrying the latest $5 part to make the new helmet obsolete too. [Reply]   [No Email]
Mike M 11-16-2012 06:00:18 24.140.0.120 Report to Moderator	Re: Good things come to those who wait in reply to NCWayne, 11-15-2012 20:38:03   Have you tried the new auto dimming helmets ? I was skepticial of them ,but really took a likeing to it. I had many many tack welds to do on some light weight expanded metal. [Reply]  [No Email]
NCWayne 11-16-2012 08:02:53 69.40.232.132 Report to Moderator	Re: Good things come to those who wait in reply to Mike M, 11-16-2012 06:00:18   I've tried them quite a few tims over the years and still hate them. Granted there have been a few times I've gotten into situations where one would come in handy but that's about it. For me even things like expanded metal aren't an issue. I've done repetative skips like that so long I can usually drop my hood and do it with no problems. Trying to do it with a lens that keeps flashing light and dark every couple of seconds leaves me disoriented and it actually takes me longer to do the job than if I had worn my regular helmet. I think like many products the auto dark lenses were designed to make certain tasks easier for guys getting into the field and just learning because they could see everything better, but for guys like me that have been doing it for years it's often just as much about you can feel and sense otherwise as it is about what you see. Like I said, there times when I've though one would be nice to have for a particular situation, but in general, they just don't work for me. [Reply]  [No Email]
Puddles 11-16-2012 02:56:22 24.113.77.208 Report to Moderator	Re: Good things come to those who wait in reply to NCWayne, 11-15-2012 20:38:03   [quote="NCWayne"] I haven't used Jackson welding hoods in years. I just broke the last retaining spring for my Fibre-Metal pipe liner hoods. Here is what Fibre-Metal puts out on their web site for the lens retaining spring. Can you imagine trying to explain to some girl answering the phone that this picture is wrong, that spring is for an air gun, not a welding hood. Like you, I ordered 6 springs, should last me the rest of my life. http://www.bettymills.com/shop/product/view/Fibre-Metal/FBM280-9101.html?source=froogle2&utm_source=froogle2&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=parts&utm_keyword=FBM280-9101&utm_content=Facility&gclid=CICAvein07MCFSmCQgodQFoAtQ [Reply]  [No Email]
JOB 11-16-2012 02:21:29 74.36.128.42 Report to Moderator	Re: Good things come to those who wait in reply to NCWayne, 11-15-2012 20:38:03   I used Jackson helmets back in the 60's. Their friction mechanism to keep the helmet up was great. Had a couple of brass washers and a spring. I would raise and lower my helmet over 500 times a day in the course of going through a 30 lb. spool of wire. when the helmet would squeak I would put a little grease on the washers. Today Jackson uses plastic washers and their helmets are junk. [Reply]  [No Email]
woodbutcher 11-16-2012 01:52:39 38.114.125.178 Report to Moderator	Re: Good things come to those who wait in reply to NCWayne, 11-15-2012 20:38:03   Glad to read the happy ending, Wayne. Too many times I throw away the useful item and find a place to buy the replaceable part the next day. Every east Texas town once had at least one old-timy hardware store, but now the only one I'm familiar with is in Paris. Swaim Hardware probably has a good supply of those lens holders when you run out. Butch [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy Shafer 11-16-2012 05:07:16 173.184.85.29 Report to Moderator	Re: Good things come to those who wait in reply to woodbutcher, 11-16-2012 01:52:39   Used to be one in Crawford Texas. Guy had everything from buggy whips to five inch pipe. Old man died son took over and put it the ground. [Reply]  [No Email]