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LEON(MI) 07-12-2012 09:11:12 76.221.245.167 Report to Moderator	gas hedge trimmer & weed wacker giving me trouble starting & running. finally looked at rubber gas lines-both lines inside tank were soft & decomposing? replaced all lines & both machines run like new!!! this has been going on for a while. aggravating. [Reply]   [No Email]
sflem849 07-13-2012 08:33:52 69.197.84.39 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   My weedeater gas wouldn't even burn when I held the toch on it after sitting for 6 months. I don't care what you say, the new gas doesn't have the shelf life of the stuff from 20 years ago. That aviation gas is good stuff. I would love to run it in my finicky small engines. [Reply]  [No Email]
big fred 07-13-2012 15:50:38 174.21.91.229 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to sflem849, 07-13-2012 08:33:52   I filled my Ford Ranger (unregistered, just use it around the yard) about 4 years ago, last time I could legally drive it on the road. Still starts right up, once I charge the battery in the spring. Guess I musta filled it with some of that old gas from the '60s.... [Reply]  [No Email]
730-LP 07-13-2012 05:46:26 75.201.135.33 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   Ethnol is the problem,we pull high compression antique tractors and run aviation fuel in them so we have some on hand all the time.We use it in weed eaters and power saws and any thing that sees very little run time.Always fill up the lawn mower on the last couple of mowings for winter storsge,no problems and cost less than repair bills. [Reply]  [No Email]
rustyfarmall 07-13-2012 08:26:15 67.55.162.174 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to 730-LP, 07-13-2012 05:46:26   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Really? I ran my 1940 H with the woods belly mower on E85 all last summer. Parked it in the fall with E85 still in the tank. Did not even shut the fuel off at the sediment bowl or drain the carburetor. That tractor started right up and ran like a top the first time I needed it this spring. [Reply]  [No Email]
JDseller 07-13-2012 16:13:48 208.126.196.144 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to rustyfarmall, 07-13-2012 08:26:15   Big Red and Rustyfarmall: I am glad you two seem to have the few engines in the USA that have not had problems with the newer blended fuels. I get them in every week that have fuel issues caused by ethanol. Ethanol is a strong solvent. So it causes chemical reactions with many types of rubber and plastic. I do raise corn. I have sold to the ethanol plants. I still think that ethanol is not the answer to our fuel problems. It does not even break even when you figure all of the energy to make it/grow it, verses the energy it will produce. It takes more energy to make than it produces. It also is more volatile in the summer heat. That is the reason for the short shelf life. If your tank/can is not completely air tight and cool space it will loose volatility. I try to buy as little of it as I can. It is a lower quality fuel we are being forced to buy. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tony S. 07-15-2012 20:34:35 74.37.16.45 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to JDseller, 07-13-2012 16:13:48   How much energy does it take to make a gallon of gasoline or diesel? [Reply]  [No Email]
JMS/.MN 07-14-2012 09:50:27 209.237.107.155 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to JDseller, 07-13-2012 16:13:48   More energy to make it than what it produces? Did you ever research that? That conclusion from the Pimental study has been debunked countless times. Pimental and his bug professor buddy, both employees of Shell oil, went so far as determining energy used to mine the ore to make the steel to make the equipment used to raise corn and the eth plants. They also assumed that ALL corn acres in this country are irrigated, thus more cost. Just two of many examples why the study is flawed. I"ve read the study. [Reply]  [No Email]
rustyfarmall 07-14-2012 07:27:14 67.55.162.174 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to JDseller, 07-13-2012 16:13:48   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see There are no fuel tanks that are air tight. All of them are vented in one manner or another, so that theory does not hold water. 5 gallon gas cans SHOULD be air tight or you will lose the fuel to evaporation, and we've been storing our fuel supplies in cool, shady places since before ethanol was available, so that is a moot point also. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dean 07-13-2012 19:13:33 152.216.3.5 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to JDseller, 07-13-2012 16:13:48   Bingo! Dean [Reply]  [No Email]
Russ from MN 07-13-2012 15:56:04 97.25.253.173 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to rustyfarmall, 07-13-2012 08:26:15   An old Farmall has an entirely different fuel system than a small 2-stroke! I do not use ethanol fuel in my 2-strokes, have a Stihl brush cutter that is almost 30 years old, never had a problem. Bought a used chainsaw a couple of years ago for $20 because it wouldn't start.Someone had put ethanol fuel in it, all it needed was new fuel lines, runs like a new $300 saw now. [Reply]  [No Email]
42 M 07-12-2012 15:54:20 99.150.167.110 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   I replace the gas line on my log splitter at least 2 to 3 times a year because of the dreaded gas line rot. Really starting to pizz me off! And it's the only thing that it happens to! [Reply]  [No Email]
big fred 07-12-2012 21:37:51 97.113.18.136 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to 42 M, 07-12-2012 15:54:20   2-3 times a year and you haven't tried a different material yet? [Reply]  [No Email]
El Toro 07-12-2012 13:59:38 108.3.148.85 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   I would drain the fuel tanks when finished for the season and start the engines and let them run until they quit. Then store them until next year. My Stihl dealer told me to do this. So there is a problem with ethanol. I never had a problem with my chain saw until I used gas with ethanol. It ruin the neophrene fuel pump. If I drain it after being used and let the engine run til it runs out of fuel it does fine. Hal [Reply]  [No Email]
NESOTA 07-12-2012 13:14:07 71.34.16.140 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   I have what could be called a "soft science" background, that as an employment credential does not buy me a lot, but; here is something that I am very convinced of; Never use ethanol in old stuff that sits idle most of the time, like wise small engines. The fuels that contain ethanol appear to me to have a short shelf life. The pennies you spend on better fuel will save you a lot of aggravation. [Reply]  [No Email]
tractotr300 07-12-2012 11:08:18 74.36.167.82 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   Ethanol [Reply]  [No Email]
Dean 07-12-2012 12:28:01 152.216.3.5 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to tractotr300, 07-12-2012 11:08:18   Bingo. Dean [Reply]  [No Email]
rustyfarmall 07-12-2012 12:18:44 67.55.162.174 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to tractotr300, 07-12-2012 11:08:18   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Really?? Maybe I should check the fuel lines in my chainsaws and weed trimmers. They've all been running on E10 for at least 30 years now. Maybe with ethanol blended fuels you don't even need a fuel line? 'Cause if ethanol really does cause them to rot, my fuel lines should have been totally gone a long time ago. [Reply]  [No Email]
tractor300 07-12-2012 15:08:40 74.36.167.82 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to rustyfarmall, 07-12-2012 12:18:44   Bought a good used blower on auction for 2 bucks, added fuel run fine, and used for quite a while. I was out of gas so got what was susposed to be regular non- ethanol fuel. Filled and ran fine. Next time went to start and would not start, primer bulb and all the lines were disentegrated. Come to find out the station where I got the gas only sold ethanol gas, although the pump said non ethanol. I guess the newer small engines come with new lines and etc. to accommodate it. [Reply]  [No Email]
TomR Ont 07-12-2012 13:05:49 184.151.61.16 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to rustyfarmall, 07-12-2012 12:18:44   rustyfarmall, They could be right. I to have Stihl chain saw and trimmer that are over 25 years old. I also have a Husqvarna trimmer that's about 15 years the only thing I've had a problem with is the Husky the prime bulb got cracked sucked air. I think we were just lucky we got the equipment with the better quality hoses, if they all went bad at the same time think of the screaming. The manufacturers know what's coming down the road and adjust for it (mix up the old stuff). Remember all the rusty cars at the same time in the '70s (they do learn), now, with all the electronics in the cars, (maybe not). It was the greenie stuff that ruined every trailer light hookup I've ever had. [Reply]  [No Email]
sflem849 07-12-2012 10:46:45 69.197.84.39 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   I used Tygon. The bright yellow stuff. [Reply]  [No Email]
d beatty 07-12-2012 09:54:03 24.12.128.253 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   I replaced my rubber hose with a new hose that is plastic lined and not effected by the new fuels. [Reply]  [No Email]
sflem849 07-12-2012 09:15:40 69.197.84.39 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to LEON(MI), 07-12-2012 09:11:12   Happened to my string trimmer as well. [Reply]  [No Email]
Brian G. NY 07-12-2012 19:17:35 72.10.202.166 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to sflem849, 07-12-2012 09:15:40   I have a friend who lives near the rich part of NY State and he brings me loads of weed wackers and leaf blowers that people put out on the curb when they quit workin'. Two common problems; Carbs need adjustment but can't be adjusted because of the limiters and gas lines eaten up by ethanol. Some of these machines are practically new! Don't you think that someone could come up with a material that would resist the effects of these newer gasolines? Makes you wonder!? [Reply]  [No Email]
Jon Hagen 07-12-2012 21:14:49 69.26.17.61 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to Brian G. NY, 07-12-2012 19:17:35   The car makers changed materials and had the E fuel problem fixed in two model years time, and that was nearly 40 years ago. There is no excuse for the small engine guys still building engines that can't stand the normal gasoline today that is 10% ethanol. I will not buy a new engine that does not say it will burn atleast 10% ethanol. [Reply]  [No Email]
rustyfarmall 07-13-2012 05:43:33 67.55.162.174 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to Jon Hagen, 07-12-2012 21:14:49   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see BINGO!! The technology to build fuel systems that are not effected by ethanol has existed, and been in place for at least 40 years, and the materials needed to make it don't cost anymore than anything else, so those small engine manufacturers really don't have any excuse for using the junk stuff. [Reply]  [No Email]
504 07-12-2012 20:21:00 64.111.61.44 Report to Moderator	Re: ROTTEN GAS LINES in reply to Brian G. NY, 07-12-2012 19:17:35   I replaced the rubber fuel line on my mower because I had it off and it was 15 years old. New Gates all fuel hose and three days later it wouldn t run. Inspection showed black it the new clear filter, plugged needle valve. The brand new line was falling apart after THREE days. I replaced it with another brand from a different store, it has been fine. Two strokes all get premium no corn fuel. Untitled URL Link [Reply]  [No Email]