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Quincy compressor oil pump

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Howard

02-02-2004 15:06:57




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Hi all, new guy here. I have found a 325-14 compressor that I can afford, but it needs rebuilding. The local parts guy, who says he was a Quincy repairman for 10 years, tells me that on these old pumps there is a vane oil pump, rather than the later gear pump, and that sometimes they just refuse to pump oil, no matter what you do. Now, I refuse this logic, cause it's just a machine, right? So, is the vane pump repairable, or, does anyone have a source of the later style pump and back plate which wouldn't cost 400 bux, cause I'm retired, and p*ss poor now. Ex Civil Servant, you know. Thanks, Howard

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Roger

02-03-2004 14:28:40




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 Re: Quincy compressor oil pump in reply to Howard, 02-02-2004 15:06:57  
Also, new style rear bearing carriers with the oil filter may not have oil passages in the same position as on older pumps. I had a guy burn up a brand new 325 after one week because he couldn't fit the new one with the filter in the space on his furnace cleaning truck where he had his old one (without the filter). He bolted on the old bearing carrier, whose oil port did not match up with the port on the back of the new crankcase. He was used to dealing with Quincy's having no oil pressure when rotating the wrong direction, so he figured he was doing ok when he fired it up and had enough oil pressure to blow apart a 60psi gauge. He removed the gauge and put a plug in its place. It didn't occur to him that the oil pump output was dead-heading against the solid cast-iron case. Result? One $2000, 325 scrap in one week.

I'd prime the oil pump with some white assembly lube before I fired it up.

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Roger

02-03-2004 11:21:33




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 Re: Quincy compressor oil pump in reply to Howard, 02-02-2004 15:06:57  
Quincy vane pumps are designed to be self-reversing, that is, no matter which way you set the pump to run, the oil pump adjusts itself to pump correctly in either direction. This is NOT the case with the later gerotor type oil pumps. If the oil pump is not working, the self-adjusting sleeve inside the pump may be stuck in place and not adjusting to the proper position. The rotor and vanes run inside this circular sleeve, which has oil ports cut into it. When the pump starts up, the friction betwen the vanes and the sleeve pulls the sleeve in the direction of rotation until the correct oil ports are lined up, and the second set of oil ports are closed. If the pump is ever reversed, the sleeve moves with the vanes until the other set of ports are uncovered. The amount of movement of the sleeve is dictated by a small roll pin inserted in the main crankcase. If this sleeve sticks in the wrong position, or does not fully rotate to the proper position, you will have no oil pressure. In this case, just remove the flat cover plate on the end of the crank and lightly tap the sleeve with a center punch to rotate it fully to the correct position. Other sources of grief are worn o rings on the oil pump shaft at the end of the crankshaft, oil pressure regulator set too low, worn bushings in the oil pump, worn o ring for the cover plate, worn o rings in the hydraulic unloader, a worn aluminum gasket behind the nut at the bottom of the crankcasecase which holds the oil screen, worn out gasket between the oil syphon tube and the rear bearing carrier, and a plugged oil intake syphon screen or line. If you have excessive crankcase vacuum, you will also have little or no oil pressure.

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Tools

02-03-2004 05:03:33




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 Re: Quincy compressor oil pump in reply to Howard, 02-02-2004 15:06:57  
I've got a 310-6?, from the early 60's. Don't know which it has.

Is yours pumping? If it's pressure lubed, it should have a oil pressure gauge.

Have you taken it apart yet? I agree with you, it either is irrepairably broken, was a manufacturing defect or should work.

Nice find, I LOVE my Quincy, it's a real gem. May be sorta costly to get going, but they're worth it. Have you priced what that pump is worth new?

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kjm

02-02-2004 19:31:21




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 Re: Quincy compressor oil pump in reply to Howard, 02-02-2004 15:06:57  
Howard, Call Quincy Compressor and ask them 217-222-7700. I drive by the plant 4 or 5 times a day. Good luck KJM



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