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Christos 02-06-2013 07:59:35 66.213.122.190 Report to Moderator	I"m getting ready to repaint and finish restoring my MF 135 Gas sometime this spring. It"s been a 9 year journey but I want to get it ready for the local show and/or if I"m really adverturesome the FENA convention. I"ve been pricing paint lately and my CarQuest bid out the paint, primers (etch and epoxy)and protective masks I"d need in the Nason line at approximately 850. I think my PPG guy bid me out higher but I can"t remember honestly. I"ve used the AGCO paint in the past and when I repainted the front wheel rims in their proper paint scheme, the Red seems to hold up well and not fade. At least not that I can tell. How much of this is a dodge vs chevy vs ford question. I see most of you all rave about PPG and I was going to use their industrial urethane. I also have given serious consideration to the AGCO paint. I"m an artist on the side and I"m used to ridiciously high paint and understand colorfastness. I know MF Poor used the AGCO paint from the dealer and his MF 150 looks fantastic. Anyone else restore a 135 or 100 series Massey with either AGCO, Nason, PPG or Martin Seynor? If so I"d like to get your feed back before I plunk down a substantial chunk of change. Thanks, Christos [Reply]   [No Email]
Christos 02-10-2013 14:55:04 64.134.170.167 Report to Moderator	Re: Paint Questions in reply to Christos, 02-06-2013 07:59:35   Pardon the late response, I know I got quotes for the PPG Shopline and the Omni lines and the Nason Single Stage Acrylic Enamel. I haven't priced BASF and Martin Seynor yet either. I usually let the paint vendor "educate me" and then come on here for the second opinion. I know this sounds like a tall order but what I'm looking for is the best pigment load/quality for the buck. My tractor will be used for work and show. Ideally I'd like to avoid ISOs as well. Christos [Reply]  [No Email]
CNKS 02-10-2013 17:43:21 216.144.104.128 Report to Moderator	Re: Paint Questions in reply to Christos, 02-10-2013 14:55:04   If you don't want isocyanates, acrylic enamel is the best you can do. Cheapest decent AE is either DuPont Nason, PPG Omni or Shopline, or the cheaper version of Martin Senour. Best would be DuPont Centari if it is still available with no hardener, or PPG Value Pro (I have not used it). It appears to me that the best versions of AE without hardener are getting hard to find. Apparently Van Sickle has a version of acrylic enamel, I cannot speak for the quality or lack of it. There are also versions of acrylic modified alkyd enamels, used without hardener which have some UV protection. Hardener has the advantage of faster curing and better flow out, it can be repaired the next day. Without hardener you have to get it right the first time or wait a long time to correct it. There is no BASF dealer here, I have always considered that one as a high dollar paint, don't know if they have cheaper lines. This post was edited by CNKS at 17:49:48 02/10/13. [Reply]  [No Email]
Colin Costine 02-08-2013 07:41:55 75.67.231.80 Report to Moderator	Re: Paint Questions in reply to Christos, 02-06-2013 07:59:35   I am no expert on paint but from what I have read here and other places the $690 that CNKS references is right in line with what I spent on paint for a tractor last year. That amount though, is low compared to standard quality automotive, and absolute peanuts compared to a Jay Leno job. My advice is: Do not put cheap paint over a fifty hour prep job or expensive paint over a five hour prep job. Both are throwing money away! [Reply]  [No Email]
CNKS 02-07-2013 08:29:13 216.144.104.128 Report to Moderator	Re: Paint Questions in reply to Christos, 02-06-2013 07:59:35   What B maniac says. Agco paint is not in the class of PPG/DuPont, etc. The best paint is some form of urethane-Agco doesn't have that. You need to do your homework and be able to tell the dealer what you want and not let him tell you that such and such is good paint. I use PPG Omni base-clear. I have no intention of changing unless the dealer goes out of business, which is possible but not likely. There is also a DuPont and NAPA(Martin Senour) here that can come up with "inexpensive" urethane. I bought most of the PPG paint for my Farmall Super M I needed a couple of months ago, painted most of the tractor, and got delayed. I do a complete disassembly. I probably need about $150 more, including the surfacer. That will bring my total price of Omni base clear, epoxy primer, reducers, and urethane surfacer, and hardeners to about $670 +/-. [Reply]  [No Email]
El Toro 02-07-2013 07:20:39 108.3.143.30 Report to Moderator	Re: Paint Questions in reply to Christos, 02-06-2013 07:59:35   Here are several tractors painted with Martin Senour's paint by a farmer in OH. I had a car painted with Sherwin Williams acrylic enamel. It probably looked better than when new. Hal [Reply]  [No Email]
B-maniac 02-06-2013 14:16:52 75.134.117.86 Report to Moderator	Re: Paint Questions in reply to Christos, 02-06-2013 07:59:35   Between the big three (Dupont/PPG/BASF) it is th Chevy/Ford/Dodge thing you elude to but each also has their sub models and it is more important that you use a very knowlegable supplier to make sure you are in fact comparing apples to apples as far as the actual system and the technology behind it. Is it industrial urethane , urethane , acrylic urethane , acrylic enamel , acrylic modified enamel , synthetic enamel and then single stage or base cote clear cote. Then is it two part epoxy primer , two part acrylic urethane primer , self etching primer and what exactly are they specifying for respirator? Now that you are thoroughly confused you can see why it is paramount that you get a very knowlegable supplier and NOT just the best "salesman". Keep asking questions and getting opinions until you are completely satisfied that you have what is right for your tractor and priorities you have for it's appearance and intended use. I use PPG because they were ahead of everyone back in 1985 when base/ clears and pearl cote paints came out and also because even now that everyone has cought up , I still have the same guy running the store as back then. He knows what he's talkin about and he knows I am fussy! It works for me. By the way, "industrial" doesn't always mean better looking OR longer lasting. Sometimes just means a compromise paint that fits the volume and price constraints of a high volume factory. They usually don't have the DOI (distinctness of image) or flat shine of automotive paint. Machinery needs "orange peel" to hide metal/welding and warping flaws and mill flaws in metal and resist runs from less than skilled painters and therefore will not flow out flat as good as non-industrial paint. Clear as a mud, right??? [Reply]  [No Email]