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ajdeereman 01-26-2013 20:26:28 71.38.64.112 Report to Moderator	has anybody sprayed vansickle paint before. If so whats your opinions on it saw it today thought aout using it on a tractor [Reply]   [No Email]
FBH44 02-01-2013 03:47:22 64.85.214.108 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to ajdeereman, 01-26-2013 20:26:28   Steven Newell = The Van S paint developed the white film sitting inside the barn, out of the sun, over many months, maybe 6 - 8 months. initiqlly it went on perfect, no runs no drips no errors, but s I went back to admire what I"d done I began to see the film. Nothing in tha air, no smoke, no heat, no anything else.... no heat in the barn, and it happened on each and every of maybe 20 cans of spray Van Sickle, over a 6 month period. [Reply]  [No Email]
Stephen Newell 02-01-2013 13:30:51 66.53.81.138 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to FBH44, 02-01-2013 03:47:22   Wow, I'm at a loss to offer an explanation for that. The paint must have been defective. Even cheap walmart paint would have held up better than that. [Reply]  [No Email]
MO8N4ME 02-01-2013 10:23:19 72.172.196.40 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to FBH44, 02-01-2013 03:47:22   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see If your tractor is red or orange,(I assume red) that is the most likely to oxidize / turn white. The straight enamels with red toner and pigment are the most likely to get beat up by time. That is why it is recommend to use the hardeners today. Unfortunately you cant catalyze aerosol paint. [Reply]  [No Email]
sflem849 02-01-2013 08:25:54 69.197.84.39 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to FBH44, 02-01-2013 03:47:22   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see You painted a tractor with rattle cans and you are mad because you didn't get a quality final product? [Reply]  [No Email]
MO8N4ME 01-31-2013 13:19:12 72.172.196.40 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to ajdeereman, 01-26-2013 20:26:28   Here is what I found out today. The acrylic enamel is a relatively new product for Van Sickle. That is why there is a shortage of information about the new paint. I talked to a Hardware Store Dealer for Van Sickle on the phone and they had to call their distributor, which in turn called corporate to get prices. A gallon of Van Sickle Black Acrylic Enamel #18171 is $90.99 in Missouri. I had them price Black so it would be comparable to the price I was quoted for Centari's Black @ $150. I also retrieved some of this information from Van Sickle corporate sales via e-mail. I believe by the time you add catalyst and reducer, you would save about $100 over the DuPont Centari. It also appears, since the catalyst and the reducer is the same cost for Alkyd Enamel, that you could paint with Van Sickle's Acrylic Enamel for about $50-$60 over the cost of the alkyd enamel. In my opinion, that is not to bad for the improvement in gloss, color retention, and hardness the Acrylic Enamel should deliver over the Alkyd. [Reply]  [No Email]
Notjustair 01-29-2013 18:38:54 174.253.144.208 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to ajdeereman, 01-26-2013 20:26:28   For the money it was fine. I shot my stock trailer with it this fall. Fairly tough, layed down well, and have a really good shine. My stock trailer is inside so I didn't have to worry about weathering. [Reply]  [No Email]
MO8N4ME 01-27-2013 09:16:47 72.172.196.40 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to ajdeereman, 01-26-2013 20:26:28   It is listed as an Acrylic Enamel. It is their premium fleet paint. I believe it to be comparable to Dupont Centari. This post was edited by MO8N4ME at 14:47:44 01/28/13. [Reply]  [No Email]
CNKS 01-27-2013 11:30:15 216.144.104.128 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to MO8N4ME, 01-27-2013 09:16:47   There isn't any acrylic enamel equivalent to Centari, unless it is by PPG, etc. How much is Van Sickle? I imagine Centari is around $300/gallon plus. It is very good paint, better than PPG Omni or Dupont Nason urethanes. Van Sickle or any other cheap paint cannot be expected to be as good as the major brands. It should be better than alkyd enamel, but I have seen cheap acrylics to fade fairly soon, noteably a acrylic enamel painted trailer I bought a few years ago. This post was edited by CNKS at 13:46:00 01/27/13. [Reply]  [No Email]
MO8N4ME 01-27-2013 06:45:31 72.172.196.40 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to ajdeereman, 01-26-2013 20:26:28   Van Sickle makes both Alkyd Enamel and Acrylic Enamel. Their Alkyd enamel comes in 2 different grades. Van Sickle also manufactures Tisco enamel which I have used and like for a non-automotive grade paint. All of these products can and should be used with a catalyst hardener. [Reply]  [No Email]
CNKS 01-27-2013 08:36:02 216.144.104.128 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to MO8N4ME, 01-27-2013 06:45:31   Local dealer sells only the "premium" version or whatever they call it of Van Sickle. I think that would be the second version, you mention, but there is no explanation on the can. It is probably an "acrylic modified" alkyd enamel that some of the tractor dealers sell. If so it has some UV protection. But, I simply don't trust the paint sold by farm stores and will continue with PPG Omni urethane, I know what I am getting when I buy that. DuPonts and Martin Senours versions of urethane are ok too. Hardeners require a supplied air system, hardeners are required by all urethanes. [Reply]  [No Email]
FBH44 01-27-2013 02:57:25 64.85.215.95 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to ajdeereman, 01-26-2013 20:26:28   (LOok at the Farmall IH forum.) I used it, and it developed a white film, sittinginside the barn,. Never again, I went with the Casse IH paint. [Reply]  [No Email]
Stephen Newell 01-27-2013 03:45:43 66.53.82.168 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to FBH44, 01-27-2013 02:57:25   Curious. Did the white film develop after the paint was already dried or as you were painting it. Sometimes a fast drying paint will develop a cloudy film over the surface when painting in humid weather called blush. From what I understand the Vansickle Tractor Paint is a acrylic enamel and would be subject to blush. [Reply]  [No Email]
kylemorley 01-27-2013 16:16:04 96.61.95.123 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to Stephen Newell, 01-27-2013 03:45:43   Van Sickle seems to make 3 grades of Tractor/Fleet paint, two alkyds and an acrylic. [Reply]  [No Email]
kylemorley 01-28-2013 13:43:32 96.61.91.96 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to kylemorley, 01-27-2013 16:16:04   Van Sickle is also terrible to deal with - the rep I was communicating with didn't seem to know the difference between acrylic and alkyd, and sent me to three distributors for more info, none of who turned out to carry the stuff. Sometimes you run into a company that makes you wonder how they can stay in business. Oh, the only price info I could pry out of them was that the acrylic is about double the price of the alkyd. That works out to $66 or so. [Reply]  [No Email]
kylemorley 01-31-2013 09:12:35 96.61.83.171 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to kylemorley, 01-28-2013 13:43:32   Correction: Found a dealer who actually carries the Ag & Fleet acryic and they say it's $112 a gallon. Trojan Specialty Products- 1-800-279-1770 It is a true acrylic, not an acrylic modified alkyd. So the search for a reasonably priced alternative to alkyd goes continues... [Reply]  [No Email]
MO8N4ME 01-31-2013 09:27:21 72.172.196.40 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to kylemorley, 01-31-2013 09:12:35   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see That is a reasonably priced Acrylic Enamel... Dupont Centari is $150 a gallon plus. I'm quite sure the 'Reds' will cost more. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see [Reply]  [No Email]
kylemorley 02-02-2013 06:57:46 96.61.94.162 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to MO8N4ME, 01-31-2013 09:27:21   Oh, the VS acrylic price was for IH Red. [Reply]  [No Email]
MO8N4ME 02-02-2013 08:50:17 72.172.196.40 Report to Moderator	Re: paint in reply to kylemorley, 02-02-2013 06:57:46   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Sounds about right. :) [Reply]  [No Email]