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Al Baker 01-21-2013 18:10:13 65.183.168.227 Report to Moderator	Ok, after doing some research I find white used a 5.9 engine in their 140 tractor and it is listed as THE replacement engine for a 2-135 or 155. Why did case, and case I-H use the 8.3 In their tractors of the same HP? Is there a big differance in fuel consumption between a 5.9 and 8.3? I am sure The 8.3 has got to put out more torq. Will a 8.3 fit in the tub of a 2-135? Has anyone tried this? Didnt the Case I-H axial flow combines run a 8.3? There should be tons of those in bone yards. [Reply]   [No Email]
johns 01-22-2013 12:56:45 69.163.7.60 Report to Moderator	Re: Why a 5.9 in a white tractor and not a 8.3? in reply to Al Baker, 01-21-2013 18:10:13   White used an 8.3 in the 185 & 195 models. [Reply]  [No Email]
G1355 01-22-2013 16:01:35 67.224.60.152 Report to Moderator	Re: Why a 5.9 in a white tractor and not a 8.3? in reply to johns, 01-22-2013 12:56:45   And the 160 [Reply]  [No Email]
mkuhns 01-21-2013 18:56:38 96.249.137.130 Report to Moderator	Re: Why a 5.9 in a white tractor and not a 8.3? in reply to Al Baker, 01-21-2013 18:10:13   Yes Case-IH put an 8.3 in their combines(2188, 2388 etc). We have a 2-105 with a 5.9 in turned up well over 190Hp. We also have an 8.3 in a 2-155 MFWD running 235+ hp. I guess it is up to how and what you will be doing with the tractor. A 8.3 will bolt right in a 2-135 with mounts out of a 160. You just have to drill 2 holes into the frame for the rear mounts and tap for 1/2" bolt holes. I will tell you the 8.3 will run the 3 rows of 12ft high corn thru the chopper @ 1800 rpms working its heart out at about 3 mph. The 2-105, unless you have that thing wound over 1800 rpms it will not pull. You have to keep that turbo spooled or it will die. It likes about 2100 and above. There is no way I would have put an 5.9 in a 20K lbs tractor. Believe me, I like the 5.9 but without the turbo spooled up, it has no torque. We also have a 2150 mfwd with a hercules in to compare the others against. It compares with the 8.3 very well. Like they say, there is no replacement for displacement. [Reply]  [No Email]
e 01-21-2013 18:50:08 69.66.234.201 Report to Moderator	Re: Why a 5.9 in a white tractor and not a 8.3? in reply to Al Baker, 01-21-2013 18:10:13   Saying a 5.9L is THE replacement engine isn't really the most accurate statement. There have been plenty repowered with 8.3's. And in reality, the C series is a closer match to the herc in size and low end torque and is right at home in the tub of a 2-. Plus, since it's running at a lower BMEP, it is a longer lasting engine when at comparable power levels. The reason the 5.9's are more commonly used for conversions is the shear number of them, number of parts, and the fact they are cheap. The 8.3's are still out there working. A lot of the reason behind White using a 5.9 was cost. At a time when they were being sucked dry, they were trying to make every penny they could. A rotary pump 5.9 saved White considerable money over the C series with an inline pump used by CaseIH on the Magnums. But, White sacrificed low end torque and longevity as a result. [Reply]  [No Email]