12 volt starter ungrade

Saw this today. My 6 volt works fine on the 12 volt system just wondering if anyone was using one of these.

Kirk
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(quoted from post at 05:48:10 02/17/16) Saw this today. My 6 volt works fine on the 12 volt system just wondering if anyone was using one of these.

Kirk
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I am not but as I said on the other forum they are a very popular replacement for the old Lucas starters used on older British cars.

TOH

I wonder how available replacement parts are for them?

(quoted from post at 10:49:16 02/17/16) I wonder how available replacement parts are for them?

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It's a common Nippon Denso starter used on many other applications and parts are not going to be a problem. You can probably walk into your local local auto parts house and walk out with a new/reman replacement. Or an auto electric shop could rebuild it for you. At that price it's darn tempting and I don't even need a new starter ;-)

TOH

I have one on my (fake*) Funk and I think I like it. I bought the ran-when-parked, converted-to-6 cylinder, and converted to 12 volt tractor without a starter, and it has a bad ring gear. That's what tore up the original starter, which the PO lost. I thought this would be a good idea and so far with little use it seems great: it appears to spin the motor fast and strong. (Little use because I have yet to change the ring gear and I do not want to tear up this starter too.) The seller of the starter, I think it's this same guy from Utah, for the most part was helpful (and I would buy from him again), but he couldn't tell me which external starter solenoid to use. So, I presented the question to the fabulous folks here at YT and Thank God JMOR did the research and had the knowledge to tell me EXACTLY which NAPA solenoid to use with my set up and it finally worked like it should. Search the archives for Funk and or my Fullish? name if you need to know which solenoid I ended up using.
End result: I think it's a good idea, but with my limited working knowledge of electrical systems, the further something is from original the more potential problems I have with diagnosing and fixing. Me, I probably should have stuck with an original style remanufactured starter from NAPA than monkeyed with this. But now that JMOR got me going I think I'm gonna like it!

*p.s. - I call it a fake Funk because I don't believe it was converted by Funk. It does not have Funk on the adaptor plate and the hood extension is a different style. But, I felt like the price was fair and I wanted to try the extra horsepower (which was great for the little bit of brush hogging I did with the tractor). I've since purchased a newer ('70's) tractor with 50 hp so the 6 cylinder project has been put on hold.

I guess I should add that I don't know enough about electrics to say if someone needs to change or use their external solenoid if they would use this starter. I'm just saying what I went through in my set up.

I don't think you repair those. Just buy another one like you do for autos. I did carry some reduction starters for JD 4430-8000.

They really spin over. Big improvement on the 30 series. They bolt right up. Only problem is the battery cable is almost too short to reach. If the cable has had the lug cut off and replaced it won't reach.

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(quoted from post at 05:48:10 02/17/16) Saw this today. My 6 volt works fine on the 12 volt system just wondering if anyone was using one of these.

Kirk
12v link

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I am not but as I said on the other forum they are a very popular replacement for the old Lucas starters used on older British cars.

TOH

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I'm happy to report I never had a lick of trouble that wasn't easily remedied, and never felt like my old British starters needed updating. I still have a 1956 A-50 And a 1958 Austin A-55. I've had 5 over the years.

The last one I was driving around that I sold to a couple who came all the way from Calgary to the coast to get it, cause they were married in one.

The starter would let me know when it needed service. As soon as it would show the slightest sign of being too slow getting out of the ring gear's way, I'd pop it off and clean the bendix shaft.
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T

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I am not but as I said on the other forum they are a very popular replacement for the old Lucas starters used on older British cars.

TOH

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I'm happy to report I never had a lick of trouble that wasn't easily remedied, and never felt like my old British starters needed updating. I still have a 1956 A-50 And a 1958 Austin A-55. I've had 5 over the years.

The last one I was driving around that I sold to a couple who came all the way from Calgary to the coast to get it, cause they were married in one.

The starter would let me know when it needed service. As soon as it would show the slightest sign of being too slow getting out of the ring gear's way, I'd pop it off and clean the bendix shaft.
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T

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To each his own. Believe it or not some people don't like having to take the starter off and clean it on a regular basis or bang on it to get it to launch. In my younger years I owned a half dozen (1962-1973) Triumph roadsters that I used as my daily driver. All had inertial (Bendix) gear starters and every one had engagement and cranking issues that required constant attention and sometimes the dreaded "walk home". Many people including myself would call that "chronic starter reliability problems" :roll:

My current LBC project is a 1962 TR4 and even though it will only be driven short distances for pleasure/show it will almost surely get a modern gear reduction starter upgrade. I'll honk if I pass you on the side of the road ;-)

TOH

That was only once actually that I had to clean the shaft. Man can I exaggerate!

I hated those Chrysler reduction gear starters with their wiring the size of a human hair. Couldn't pay me to take one. Too user unfriendly.

Your Triumph. Resounding Yes!
My second ever car when I was 18 was a 60 TR3.
I liked the Healey of that era too and test drove a couple that were for sale, but the only Sports car I ever found with enough leg room for me to work the pedals was my 60 TR3.

I had a TR6. plenty of leg room. I'm 6'1". loved that car.

(quoted from post at 15:18:11 02/17/16) I had a TR6. plenty of leg room. I'm 6'1". loved that car.

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Steve,

I remember swooning over one of those TR6's in a Vancouver showroom!
My bubble burst when I sat in it.

6.1 eh?
It's that extra 6.5" more on the way to my ridiculous 6'7 and a half, that cramps my style. Darn good thing I'm collapsible!

A little while ago I ran into a 6'8" guy in the grocery and I actually thought to myself, "Holy mackerel, is that what I look like to other people!"

Here all this time I thought people stared at me cause they thought I appeared friendly and might be a fun/interesting person to get to know. How wrong a guy can be.

tall T.......somewhere I gotta picture of my 6'5" dad standing between his wifes 6'7" and 6'10" brothers just before the end of WW2. They made him putta hat on so he didn't look so short. The 6'10" brother was supposta be a tail-gunner fer B-29 in Japan, he was 6'1" when he joined. Instead they made him the CO of all BLACK transportation company 'cuz he could out-wrassle enny one of them. After the war, he played semi-pro basketball in Denver. It was interesting to watch my 6'1" mother walk with my 6'5" father down the street, you'd gitt amazing double-takes as they passed. Dad played center in high-school, and after every basket, they'd haffta have a jump-ball at center court. He seldom missed the jump-ball and would batt to awaiting team-mate. He also played center fer football, somewhere I gott his cleats. Kenn you imagine size 13 football shoes in 1927? During WW2, leather was "rationed" and he had a whole ration book of stamps fer shoes ...except... nobody was sellin' size 13. He died in 1994 and his greatest pleasure was leather shoes that fit and custom wool suits. .........nostalgic Dell

Wow the Giant family! You must be tall too.

Being tall was a pain growing up. I had 14's so no ski boots, no skates, no bowling shoes . . . and for regular shoes I had to wear what I always thought were Navy officer shoes.

In the late 60's . . . no blue jeans with a 36" inseam but I could get Hush Puppies in 14. In the winter of '67 in Toronto I went into a big Jeans store and the guy promised me that 36" inseams were coming and that i should keep checking back. Sure enough LEE Jeans were the first ever blue jean with a long enough leg.

Walked by a Clarks shoe store back then and there was a size 16 or 18 in the front window. "Just maybe" I thought and went in. For the first time in my life I had a choice of four pairs of size 14 boots and I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven.

I wear 15's now.
It seems our bodies shrink and our feet get bigger.

Favorite tall joke:
I swam with my dog across a lake and back here on the island.
When we got back to our departure point there were two couples there. One of the ladies asked if I had swam all the way across and back. A little proudly probably i said yes.
One of the men said, "Well big deal, you fall in, you're half way across!"
:lol:

I have a cousin who is 6'6". its fun to watch him hit head when he forgets to duck.

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(quoted from post at 10:49:16 02/17/16) I wonder how available replacement parts are for them?

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It's a common Nippon Denso starter used on many other applications and parts are not going to be a problem. You can probably walk into your local local auto parts house and walk out with a new/reman replacement. Or an auto electric shop could rebuild it for you. At that price it's darn tempting and I don't even need a new starter ;-)

TOH

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Whut he said..

Millions of those starters are in use every day, most already own one are more but don't know it because your starter has never gave any problems.

Most foreign cars/trucks use them as well as Chrysler, Harley Davidson and most all ATV's are the such. They have been converted to fit about every thing that has even been made.

About the only problem you see them have is the contacts (internal starter relay contacts) in the starter ware out. Its a simple job to replace them and the contacts are EZ to come by and cheap....

And the best part on engines that have a OEM starter that's a bugger to remove when converted to this style are EZ to remove...

USPS supply's this style starter as replacements on there LLV (long life Vehicles) that has a life expectancy of 35 years are that was there original plan. On a 90's LLV the original chebby starter takes 1 to 2 hours to replace with the nippo 15 min tops.

How Toyota fudged this simple procedure up I dunno most are a bear to replace

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About the only problem you see them have is the contacts (internal starter relay contacts) in the starter ware out. Its a simple job to replace them and the contacts are EZ to come by and cheap

How Toyota fudged this simple procedure up I dunno most are a bear to replace

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they screwed it up because they were arrogant enough to believe their "stuff" wouldn't need replacing. so they end up designing things where the clutch slave cylinder shares a mounting bolt with the starter, which makes aligning everything difficult upon reassembly.

or they hide the starter under the intake runners, next to the firewall. turns a 10 minute job into an 80 minute job.

etc.