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TheOldHokie 01-12-2013 16:39:05 74.110.73.253 Report to Moderator	My motto is the customer is always right but when he told me this is what he wanted along with live hydraulics I thought it was real overkill. But after putting it together I think I like it!!! TOH [Reply]   [No Email]
wayne-N-Ind. 01-13-2013 06:57:58 4.188.101.180 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   do you sent pictures & instructions for us dumb ones? lol on all your stuff? [Reply]  [No Email]
TheOldHokie 01-13-2013 08:32:51 74.110.73.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to wayne-N-Ind., 01-13-2013 06:57:58   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Well I certainly wouldnt call anybody I have dealt with "dumb" but I do send everyone pictures of their stuff more or less installed on my tractor along with some simple installation advice. There have been a couple issues in the past like a check valve installed backwards so I now make it a point to preassemble the smaller components. It's pretty self evident where the pieces go when they come out of the box but help is just a phone call away if there is any confusion. . TOH [Reply]  [No Email]
TheOldHokie 01-13-2013 05:56:43 74.110.73.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to jerry 2n, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see An N is quite capable of running a lot of implements that require a hydraulic system of this sort and Ford provided similar setups for the NAA and 600 sereis tractors. The internal sump capacity is sufficient for this size pump with a couple caveats. First the 12 GPM pump rating is maximum output at 2000 engine RPM The flow rate is proportional to engine speed - e.g 8 GPM @ 1500 RPM, 6 GPM @ 1000 RPM, etc. You also need to consider the duty cycle of the hydraulic loads you are running. For example you wouldn't want to try and run something like a rotary broom tpowered by an 8 GPM hydraulic motor. The motor onteh broom has a nearly 100% fully loaded duty cycle and with that small a reservoir the oil would overheat from the constant high pressures. But you can run something like a loader that actually has higher peak pressure flow requirements but with very intermittent duty/load cycles that give the oil a chance to cool down between cycles. The valve in the pictures controls two DA cylinders and requires 4 bidirectional couplers. So the coupler count is not as much about volume as it is function. Those are 3/8" couplers good for about 6-8 GPM each which is overkill for the customer's current application which is a front snow plow with power lift and angle. But because he wanted the flexibilty to run a small loader he balked at a smaller pump and 1/4" couplers. In fact he initially wanted four more front couplers to go with the rear ones but I talked him down off that ledge - at least for the time being ;-) Next N-series hydraulic system on my schedule is a 16 GPM pump for a guy with a loader/backhoe. He will be using his existing 5 gallon external reservoir to up the overall system oil capacity to 10 gallons. TOH [Reply]  [No Email]
TheOldHokie 01-13-2013 03:57:12 74.110.73.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to HCooke, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Same way you always did - lean over, reach down and shift it. Slightly harder to reach it from the seat but you don't need to be a contortionist. TOH [Reply]  [No Email]
Royse 01-12-2013 20:16:16 69.36.49.151 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   Might be a dumb question, but does the sump really hold enough oil to run anything that would require that many outlets? I'm having trouble coming up with an implement that would need it that an 8N could run, other than a back blade with hydro turn and tilt. Maybe just cabin fever on my part. :) Does look like nice work as always! [Reply]  [No Email]
KrisNMo 01-12-2013 20:03:41 72.161.155.26 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   I sure like the hydraulic setup and you sure do nice work, I especially like the rear access ports. I do have a question though. How do use the lever for the rear pto lever? [Reply]  [No Email]
Colin King 01-12-2013 17:42:41 71.49.82.117 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   Very impressive. For a modern small farm, a good hydrualic set-up on an N could be really handy. Colin, MN [Reply]  [No Email]
Fuddy Duddy 01-12-2013 17:24:13 75.221.130.26 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   If I'm seeing this right, he has a pulley mounted pump that uses the fluid in the rear end? Instead of a separate reserve tank? [Reply]  [No Email]
kylemorley 01-12-2013 17:12:56 96.61.83.11 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   I always get a kick out of the pictures of your work you post here. Get some good ideas too. On the last picture, the one with the foot and the leg, what is the thing at the bottom left with the Made In USA sticker on it? It's too close the the back of the engine to be the pump but looks too substantial for a filter. [Reply]  [No Email]
TheOldHokie 01-12-2013 18:06:57 74.110.73.253 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to kylemorley, 01-12-2013 17:12:56   kylemorley said: (quoted from post at 21:12:56 01/12/13) I always get a kick out of the pictures of your work you post here. Get some good ideas too. On the last picture, the one with the foot and the leg, what is the thing at the bottom left with the Made In USA sticker on it? It's too close the the back of the engine to be the pump but looks too substantial for a filter. That is a prority flow divider. The pump is 12 GPM and uses teh tractor sumps as teh hydraulic reservoir. The flow divider splits the pump output into two independent pressure streams. The 1/4" hose is the priority circuit which is set to a fixed 2 GPM flow that goes to the test port for live hydraulics. That is the maximum flow rate the 3pt control valve can exhaust. The 1/2" hose carries the excess flow to the control valve and from there back to the sump via the transmission filler. This one is for a side distributor 8N and the pump is shaft driven off the crankshaft. TOH This post was edited by TheOldHokie at 18:12:55 01/12/13. [Reply]  [No Email]
mhb@ufe 01-12-2013 17:52:24 184.153.187.144 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to kylemorley, 01-12-2013 17:12:56   I believe that is a flow divider. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
01BIRDDOG 01-12-2013 16:57:09 50.147.88.242 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2013 16:39:05   I think you do really good work and it is shown here. The old original parts along with the new really look good together. [Reply]  [No Email]
soundguy 01-12-2013 17:10:09 173.104.43.97 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to 01BIRDDOG, 01-12-2013 16:57:09   it does look good, and he does excelent work. all that machine need snow is an OHV engine, and a dual clutch.. :) [Reply]  [No Email]
Ultradog MN 01-12-2013 17:53:01 184.100.109.75 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to soundguy, 01-12-2013 17:10:09   I'd rather have PS than lpto. Very nice work TOH. [Reply]  [No Email]
soundguy 01-12-2013 18:00:51 173.104.43.97 Report to Moderator	Re: Not really overkill in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-12-2013 17:53:01   i'd go with that tradeoff. one of my 850 fits that. ps, no lpto works just fine that way. :) In actuality.. I've only had a use for lpto a very few times.. [Reply]  [No Email]