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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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Topic: No Spark 1940 9n
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Malkum Gibson

12-28-2012 12:52:44
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OK, from the beginning, four moths ago I replaced the coil, new points, condenser, plugs and start relay. All was well until two days ago. I last used the tractor just before Thanksgiving, ran great (it always starts on the second or third turn over). Being in any out of town until the 26"s of Dec. Got our first snow so went to plow, dead battery, not a issue, put in a new battery and then I discovered it wouldn"t start. Check the wiring everything was OK. Pulled a plug wire got one of the old plugs cleaned it and put it in the wire turned it over and no spark.Did this on a couple of the plug wires and all where dead????? I did replace the copper wire in the distributor when I put the new points in. More snow comin" need my baby!!!! HELP!

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Malkum Gibson

01-01-2013 08:04:03
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
A BIG THANKS to everyone that gave me info on my problem. Turns out to have been the coil...... the four month old coil. You never know!

Again thanks much for all the help.
MG



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NoNewParts

12-31-2012 04:49:17
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
on my front mounts

if they don't start instantly after sitting, with a no spark condition,

sigh, time for maintenance

I just pull the complete distributor with coil and cap attached,

rather than messing around on my knees.

maintenance on the bench, when done,

hook up a power source and spin it by hand,

to check spark condition.

back on the tractor, completely assembled, done

your problem:

moisture on the inside of the cap,

possibly broken rotor

after you physically dry out the cap, clean or replace your plugs before

trying to start it.

It doesn't take long cranking without starting to put the plugs

in a fouled, 'never start' condition

ps snow country?

watch ebay for a cheapie used front distributor

have it on the shelf, complete, ready to go

quick swap is easier when it's bone-chilling cold,

and you just 'snowbanked soaked' your dist

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Malkum Gibson

12-30-2012 07:48:23
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
Well no luck yet. I did the light check on the coil and distributor the light is flashing and bright. I also checked to see that I got fuel to the carburetor and it was OK. I again checked for spark at the plug, no spark. I did cross the key just to rule it out, I just put a wire into each clip and it made no difference. I did use some starter fluid just to check. Again it didn't start. So light at coil and distributor OK fuel seems OK, key OK, just no spark????
Again thanks for all of your help. MG

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JMOR

12-30-2012 07:59:24
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-30-2012 07:48:23  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeOK........sounds like you have primary current, so lets look toward secondary. Rotor button OK? Cracks or arc tracks in distributor cap? Tab on coil properly contacting the button on cap?



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Malkum Gibson

12-30-2012 08:34:01
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to JMOR, 12-30-2012 07:59:24  
Just put a new coil, points, condenser, rotor button, a new copper strap,and plugs four months ago and a new battery two days ago.



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JMOR

12-30-2012 08:36:10
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-30-2012 08:34:01  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeIf it was put in an hour ago, it could still be broken or bad out of the box.



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Malkum Gibson

12-29-2012 10:19:43
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
I want to thank everyone for all the info..... tractors inside now warming up I'll do the check list later today or the AM. Let you know what happens.
MG



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soundguy

12-28-2012 15:18:52
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
ditto what bruce said about key on may have dapaged coil.

ditto what jmor said about the test lamp test for the coil / points.

overall.. clean the points and test it.

ps.. why'd ya put a start relay on a 9n/2n?



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HCooke

12-28-2012 14:26:13
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
Was the battery dead because the ignition was left on? If so the points could be damaged as well as the coil. If not check the points for corrosion as others have said.



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Bruce (VA)

12-28-2012 13:37:31
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
6v or 12v?

old & JMOR gave you the "Cliff's Notes" version of your likely problem: it's probably the points.

But it could be something else.

Before you check anything else, make sure you have the correct voltage at the top of the coil. It should be battery voltage w/ the points open & about half that w/ the points closed.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, & that you have correct voltage to the coil, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it’s fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works)

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark.).

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks)

4. The condenser wire grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.)

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o’clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o’clock)

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points.

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Unless the coil is cracked or shows a dead short, chances are it's fine; square coils rarely fail cold. Pull the distributor & do a continuity check.

First, make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

You can change points everyday & it will not fix bad bushings. If you are having trouble w/ points failure, check the shaft. If you detect movement, chances are it needs new bushings.

Inspect the points; if they are pitted or burned, replace them. Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. Make sure the points align correctly. Proper alignment is also critical to longevity. Look at the points when they are closed; both sides should mate evenly. Then, check the gap at .015 on the high point of all 4 cam lobes.

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. What ever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts) Then place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Then, hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush w/ the timing gear cover.

Finally, double check your firing order & plug wires. It’s 1-2-4-3, counterclockwise. It’s very easy to cross 3 & 4.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.

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old

12-28-2012 13:31:44
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
Bet the points are sitting there close or where closed and have corroded from sitting. Bet if you clean the points it will fire right up. Common problem by the way and in the winter it when more likely to happen due to heating and cooling



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01BIRDDOG

12-28-2012 15:22:51
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to old, 12-28-2012 13:31:44  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see That was the case on my 1952 which had been sitting for years. Cleaned points and checked gap, fuel,plugs and off it lit. Used it almost daily for something since then.



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JMOR

12-28-2012 13:13:15
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 Re: No Spark 1940 9n in reply to Malkum Gibson, 12-28-2012 12:52:44  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeConnect a test light between ground & the top coil terminal and see if it blinks when trying to start.....probably won't because you need to clean the points, but depending on what the light does, maybe some other plan will be in order. Tell us what you observe?



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