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Johns.signsrcn.com 10-02-2012 15:36:32 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	I've been asking around to see what a clutch job, trans seal would run. I hear a spread of 5oo (350 labor, 200 parts) miles way so towing would be addl 200 probably to near 4K from a shop right up the street. Any opinions what reasonable is? Never changed a clutch before but looks like I might learn. Thanks in advance, John [Reply]   [No Email]
old-9 10-03-2012 06:18:43 67.236.117.163 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   John Take a look at this, might help. joe Untitled URL Link [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-03-2012 08:12:34 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to old-9, 10-03-2012 06:18:43   THAT was interesting! and can help a novice like myself feel better about diving in. I didn't see all the pics. I hope they show the hydraulics, rear and pto. Someone had a lot of spare time! Thanks Joe. John [Reply]  [No Email]
showcrop 10-03-2012 05:18:22 75.67.231.80 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   before I do another split I am going to make the bracket that Hobo showed us. It enables you to bolt a trailer jack with wheel onto the side of your transmission so that you can safely and easily and cheaply roll it back. [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signs@rcn.com 10-03-2012 08:15:49 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to showcrop, 10-03-2012 05:18:22   Pretty nifty! with the height adjustment and all that. What thickness will you use for the trans mount? John [Reply]  [No Email]
Ken(Ark) 10-02-2012 20:57:22 173.187.231.2 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to G6 at Snook, TX, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   What is the shape of the rest of the tractor ? Is the trans leaking or is it motor oil on the clutch ? I love these little N's but if you have to pay someone to work on them you really need something else . That being said , there is not really much that a fair shade tree mechanic would have trouble with . The unknown may seem intimidating but the guys here can explain and show pictures / diagrams / videos to explain everything in a way that it is easy to understand . [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signs@rcn.com 10-03-2012 08:23:20 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Ken(Ark), 10-02-2012 20:57:22   I believe its the trans. Motor oil is at a constant level while the trans has gone down a tad. When I worked the cotter pin loose under the flywheel, I got about a cup or 2 drained out. The rest of the tractor aside from needing a good bath is good. New gas tank, radiator is good, carb rebuild, could use 2 front tires and 2 rear rims ( rear tires filled with something ), 1 rim is rusted through and will split the inner tube before too long, back tires are near new...otherwise, good. Like you say, with the assist here and a FO4 I have, only thing needed is the spare time really. John [Reply]  [No Email]
Ultradog MN 10-02-2012 19:02:12 174.20.253.54 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   $500 is realistic. A guy should easily do the job in a day. More like half a day if you are competent wrench. $200 for parts also adds a little padding to the job. If you are in or near the Twin Cities I would do it for that. Plus pickup and delivery or you deliver. I'll crowd you for a little more and sell you for a front seal in the tranny/Sherman too. Hokie is correct. Block the front half of the tractor and roll the rear half away. Easier. [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-02-2012 20:15:14 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Ultradog MN, 10-02-2012 19:02:12   Front sherman seal..didnt know about that one. Does the sherman have to come out to put the tranny seal in? Yea between those 2 seals and when I get to the pto bearing & seal next spring, Things should be looking pretty good! [Reply]  [No Email]
TheOldHokie 10-02-2012 17:29:19 108.8.11.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Bodo, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see You only need one jack - I prefer to block the front up and roll the rear half back using the jack. No oil inside the bell housing and no need to drain anything. TOH [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signs@rcn.com 10-03-2012 08:24:50 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to TheOldHokie, 10-02-2012 17:29:19   Do you have a pic of the block you made? This sounds like a pretty good idea for a backyard mech like myself. John [Reply]  [No Email]
Ultradog MN 10-03-2012 17:09:08 174.20.235.120 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signs@rcn.com, 10-03-2012 08:24:50   I can't speak for Hokie but I think he meant to use some wood blocks and crib up the front half of the tractor. I prefer wood cribbing than metal on metal jackstands and the like though I know a lot of fellows do use steel jackstands. You can go to Home Despot and buy a 6X6 timber and for a couple of extra bucks they would saw it for you into 2'X2' lengths. That and a piece or two of 1X and 2X lumber you can crib (block) them securely. If you want to do this job we could guide you through it. Might gripe at you a little - if you need it - but we'd get you through the job. I don't have a photo of an N blocked up but do have another tractor blocked up so you can see what we mean. This job wasn't a split between the engine and transmission like your are contemplating but instead for front axle repairs. Someone here ought to put an N split for a clutch onto a slideshow for fellows like you as we all know a pic is worth quite a few words. [Reply]  [No Email]
TheOldHokie 10-02-2012 15:50:58 108.8.11.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Billie R. Smith, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see A complete clutch kit (new cover, disc, and both bearings) is $120 retail. Labor is 4-6 hours for someone with a good surface to work on and the right tools. Figuring a $75/hr shop rate and 50% markup on parts you are looking at $450 - $550 at a shop. TOH [Reply]  [No Email]
HCooke 10-02-2012 15:46:57 70.195.64.236 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   The unknown is always a little intimidating. You can do it with a couple of floor jacks and basic tools. A concrete floor helps also. I would start by removing the hood. Place a jack under the engine and one under the trans. Undo the wiring and the choke rod and the oil line and the throttle linkage. Remove the drag links from the steering arms and the radius rods from the transmission. Put some wooden wedges between the axle and the center section so that the engine cannot tip when you roll it forward. There are about 10 or so bolts that connect the engine to the bell housing. Remove them and roll the front half of the tractor forward. Now you have access to the clutch. While in there also replace the input trans seal. Good luck and post back with questions. [Reply]  [No Email]
Bruce (VA) 10-02-2012 15:41:13 24.125.80.178 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-02-2012 15:36:32   " Never changed a clutch before but looks like I might learn." Believe me, it's not that hard. Split the tractor. Pull the old clutch & p/p; send them to be rebuilt. Replace the t/o bearing, pilot bearing & transmission seal while you're in there. Install the new clutch. Put it back together. You can buy any tools you might need (like a cherry picker) & still come out ahead cost wise. 50 Tips [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-02-2012 17:47:42 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Bruce (VA), 10-02-2012 15:41:13   I forgot to mention the sherman hi lo. Will that have to come out also to do the trans seal? [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-02-2012 17:21:11 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Bruce (VA), 10-02-2012 15:41:13   You guys make it sound pretty simple actually. Only thing I can think of from the above lists would be a 2nd jack & some wedges needed. Other tools I have. Driveway is asphalt, does much oil drop out during the split? or should the trans to rear be drained also? Never seen the inside of one of these. [Reply]  [No Email]
old 10-02-2012 18:29:01 209.86.226.40 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-02-2012 17:21:11   To bad your not close to me. Figure $150 in parts and 3-4 hours labor so all in all $500 tops to do the job including parts [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-03-2012 08:30:31 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to old, 10-02-2012 18:29:01   Thank you - I'd feel good about that and the fact that it would be in good hands and I'd probably want to help just to learn. But I guess it is what it is this time. I just got a call from Napa, 1350.00 - 1500.00 depending on parts needed and still I'd have to get it to them. John [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-03-2012 08:32:11 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-03-2012 08:30:31   Do I need to pull the sherman to get at the trans seal. According to the pics I saw, theres 2 possible seals that could be replaced? John [Reply]  [No Email]
Dell (WA) 10-03-2012 08:58:22 63.226.208.142 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-03-2012 08:32:11   No John........there is just 1-tranny seal. You haffta unbolt the 4-bolts that hold the tranny input outter sleeve of the Sherman. The tranny input seal is just inside the sleeve, next to the 4-bolt plate. .......Dell [Reply]  [No Email]
Johns.signsrcn.com 10-03-2012 10:34:34 70.106.140.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Dell (WA), 10-03-2012 08:58:22   I guess I'll have to see it to understand. The sherman has to be in there somewhere? John [Reply]  [No Email]
Dell (WA) 10-03-2012 10:42:39 63.226.208.142 Report to Moderator	Re: Reasonable labor parts opinion please in reply to Johns.signsrcn.com, 10-03-2012 10:34:34   John.........leave yer Sherman in the tranny housing .........Dell [Reply]  [No Email]