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Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
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Topic: Only runs when choke is out
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John E. Kremer

08-21-2012 14:09:20
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Ford 2N with a magneto started to run rough and then quite.
This was while cutting a field with a 5 foot cutter.Never had this problem before.Carb. was rebuilt last year and fuel was fresh and tank is clean.No sediment in the bowl and delivery line flowed free and clean.
Tractor will start but no power unless the choke is out?




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GB in MT.

08-21-2012 17:34:29
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to d beatty, 08-21-2012 14:09:20  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

Look like this drawing of a front mount distrib.?????

Shows the firing order and spark plug hook-ups!!



GB :)



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08-21-2012 14:53:32
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to John E. Kremer, 08-21-2012 14:09:20  
Yep I agree with Bruce and not likely to be a mag. Good chance you have weak spark so you need to text the spark. It should be a blue/white and jump a 1/4 inch gap and if it does not then that is your problem since a rich mixture burns easier then a lean one does



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Bruce (VA)

08-21-2012 14:33:03
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to John E. Kremer, 08-21-2012 14:09:20  
A magneto on an N is very rare.

Not to be a smart@ss, but can you tell the difference between a front distributor & a magneto?

Pulling out the choke gives you a richer mixture. So, you could have either a fuel or spark problem.

A carb out of adjustment will also cause this problem; set the main jet at 1-1/2 turns out & leave it alone.

A dirty carb can cause the problem as well; start by cleaning the fuel screens.

Dirty/old gas, or water in the gas can cause this problem.

Restricted fuel flow can cause this problem; remove the bolt at the bottom of the carb & check for flow.

On my 1950 frontmount, needing choke to run is the first sign that the points need adjusting/replacing.

A vacuum leak can do the same thing. Get a hand propane torch and carefully spray it (unlit of course) around the intake manifold at the carb to manifold interface & the manifold to block gasket of the tractor while it is running. Or, you can use carb cleaner or WD40. If it speeds up, you found the leak. Sometimes (rarely) manifolds crack or get rust holes.

Lastly, when all else fails, you could have an air leak around the carb metering section. The likely suspects are leaky throttle shaft seals and/or a worn throttle shaft. Or, just a real dirty carb w/ clogged passages.

Bottom line: Probably 90% of "needs choke to run" problems are fuel related, but do not rule out ignition problems, contrary to what others may tell you. I’ve had that very same problem before w/ a rebuilt carb, fresh fuel & good flow & a tight manifold.......and it was a spark problem. But, that was unusual. Just check the likely fuel problems first.

Please be sure to post back & let us know what the fix was. We all learn something if you tell us what worked!

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John E. Kremer

08-21-2012 15:15:59
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-21-2012 14:33:03  
Spark distribution system appears to be the size of a inverted spin on oil filter located between front of block and radiator.At the bottom on both sides are two female adaptors similar to the one on a distributor cap.The wire runs directly from these to the plugs.Is this a magneto?.
Tractor is 100 miles away problem started today and will not be looked at again for a week.
Thanks



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HCooke

08-21-2012 15:23:55
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to John E. Kremer, 08-21-2012 15:15:59  
No, that describes a front mount distributor. Time to read up on removing it (2 bolts) and replacing the points and condenser. Points are gaped .015. It will only go back on one way because of an offset tang which mates to a slot in the camshaft.



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John E. Kremer

08-24-2012 09:22:36
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to HCooke, 08-21-2012 15:23:55  
Ordered complete tune up kit from this site and will post results.



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John E. Kremer

08-31-2012 14:10:39
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to John E. Kremer, 08-24-2012 09:22:36  
Installed tune up kit plugs,wires,points,rotor and condenser.Only cranks no start put away tools and made 100 miles journey back home.
Will return in a few weeks to recheck distributor setting,and trouble shoot ignition system.



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John E. Kremer

09-10-2012 04:23:42
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 Re: Only runs when choke is out in reply to John E. Kremer, 08-31-2012 14:10:39  
Returned and removed carb.blew out passages.No junk found inside of carb,and float level was correct.Reinstalled carb. and fired up and no need for choke.Apparently a fuel issue the problem got me more familiar with this tractor.



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