12 Volt Charging Issue 1953 Jubilee

Ronnie G

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First one of these I have worked on. Converted to 12 volts, starts OK, turns off OK, however the amp. gauge shows no charge or discharge. The kicker is, I wanted to check & see if the alternator was charging, so I pulled the neg. lead off thee battery & the engine dies. SO I believe the alternator was not charging. I took the alternator down to bench test, it passed. I called a alt. shop & they said the internal reg. could be bad & the bench test would not show a fault in the test. I took the alternator back & they replaced it, however same issue. Im 99.9% sure the wiring is correct. No different than an "N" series 12 volt conversion...SO, what's up?
 

unloading an alt by pulling off a bat cable is the 2nd fastest way I know to kill one.. first is reverse polarity.

put a volt meter on the battery.. 12.6v before start and about 14.4v after start and you have run the rpms up.

if it is a 3 wire.. hit the #1 terminal with bat power for a second see if it helps.

soundguy
 
Sound guy,
Voltmeter read 12.50 volts before running, at 2100 r.p.m., 12.50 volts, no change. What else can I check?
 
When you placed you leads - were they on the alternator stud or the battery? You sure the belt is tight too? If still no charge - take alternator to local advance/napa and have them check it for free.
 
On my initial post, it was a new one to begin with & it passed the bench test. I was told by an alternator repair /rebuild shop that the bench tests at the auto parts stores, the voltage regulator could be bad & still pass the bench test at the auto part stores. I replaced it with a new one. I told the auto part store the voltage reg. was bad. I did go back out and start it up again & rev'd up the engine to 2000 r.p.m.s., the volt meter was jumping around, "digital" meter. I shut the engine off, voltage was 13 & steady. I charged the battery for an hour so it would be hot, prior to me starting it up again...Anything else to consider?
 
well if 1 and 2 saw bat, and she was spun up past 500 rpm and didn't charge.. she needs service.

soundguy
 
"unloading an alt by pulling off a bat cable is the 2nd fastest way I know to kill one."

Too late! Sounds like he already HAS!

WHO gives these guys the idea to pull the battery cable on an alternator-equipped machine to "see if it's charging"?
 
Thats DUFUS tip #1.last time it came up I said dont do it.Two dummies said it was ok to do it.An alternator with a bad regulator could put out 100 volts when the battery was disconnected.GM alternators lose regulators often.
 
Digital meters have trouble resding changing voltage.Buy a 10 buck analog meter and learn to read the 15 volt scale.
 
(quoted from post at 01:21:51 07/16/10) "unloading an alt by pulling off a bat cable is the 2nd fastest way I know to kill one."

Too late! Sounds like he already HAS!

WHO gives these guys the idea to pull the battery cable on an alternator-equipped machine to "see if it's charging"?
t used to be done widely 60 years ago with DC gens & NO semiconductor devices, so these guys are making the 'giant leap' to same procedure with transient sensitive semiconductors everywhere and helping NAAPA, AZ, CarQuest, etc. keep profits up. Also, somebody, somewhere, once did it & nothing smoked, so conclusion was that it must be OK to do it anytime, anywhere......sometimes circumstances are everything.
 
Well I took the alternator to the alt. shop. Found out this model was NOT a 1 wire alternator like AZ told me. Put a harness on w/resistor from alt.shop. Charging 13.5 volts & amp. gauge is working.
Now I get to go back to AZ & slap the dog &*#!out of the person who sold it as such.
 
(quoted from post at 14:24:11 07/16/10) Well I took the alternator to the alt. shop. Found out this model was NOT a 1 wire alternator like AZ told me. Put a harness on w/resistor from alt.shop. Charging 13.5 volts & amp. gauge is working.
Now I get to go back to AZ & slap the dog &*#!out of the person who sold it as such.
hen you applied power to what you called "I" that is no doubt terminal #1, that should have provided excite current just as does the wire & resistor from the alternator shop. Must have done more?
 
Hi Ronnie I bought two ONE wire alts from ORielly Auto parts and they are actually one wires. I have insrtalled one and it does what it is supposed to do. They charged me 70 plus dollars ea. but they are a good warranty place so far for me. Don t know if you have a ORiellys close by your shop but I have found them to be good on the testing stuff also. Devious
 
Devious,

AutoZone sells them to me for 44.94 each. I just have to make daing sure they are 1 wire alt. I'll have to check O'Reilly's price.

Tks..
 

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