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Topic: 9n electrical problem
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GARY CHILDS

11-19-2009 16:49:44
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My 9n just wouldn"t start. No spark. It is a 12 volt system that has ran great for many years. I checked the power to the coil, about 3 volts. Now the resistor has burnt out, so I replaced it and that one started to smoke. so I cut off the power. The resistor when I measured the resistance showed 12 volts on the coil side. The wire leading to the coil fron the resistor is not grounding out. My question to you electrical guys "what is my problem and how can I fix it". Thanks Gary

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soundguy

11-19-2009 20:25:00
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Re: 9n electrical problem in reply to GARY CHILDS, 11-19-2009 16:49:44  
you don't get a 'voltage' reading when you measure 'resistance'.

thus.. when you measured 12v on the coil side of the resistor, I'm guessing yuo measured when points were open.

also.. new resistors always flash some oil off from the manufacturing process and smoke a bit.. no big deal..

soundguy

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Bruce (VA)

11-19-2009 18:02:47
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Re: 9n electrical problem in reply to GARY CHILDS, 11-19-2009 16:49:44  
Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, & that you have correct voltage to the coil, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw.

2. The insulator at the end of the points where the copper strip attaches.

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate.

4. The condenser wire grounding.

5. The pigtail/tab not making contact.

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket; the coil must not move at all.

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket.

9. Dirty/corroded/incorrectly gapped points

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Unless the coil is cracked or shows a dead short, chances are it's fine; square coils rarely fail cold. Pull the distributor & do a continuity check.

First, make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. Then, check the gap at .015 on all 4 lobes.

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!


At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it’s easier to do this from the left side). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.

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ZANE

11-19-2009 17:41:14
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Re: 9n electrical problem in reply to GARY CHILDS, 11-19-2009 16:49:44  
You should have about 3 volts with the points closed. With the points open you should have battery voltage. If when turning the engine slowly with the fan or crank the voltage stays the same 3 volts it's a sign the points are closed and not opening or there is a short circuit somewhere in the distributor. There is a paper insulator at the place where the condenser and the points are connected by a flat copper conductor. This insulator can and does sometimes become shorted to the distributor plate.

Zane

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Dell (WA)

11-19-2009 17:35:08
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Re: 9n electrical problem in reply to GARY CHILDS, 11-19-2009 16:49:44  
Gary.......ah yes, the "infamous ballast resistor". They are like litebulbs, they either work or they are burned out. (as you claim) New ballast resistor SMOKE, its part of the manufacturing process and the oil burns/smokes and will eventually dissipate. You just noticed it 'cuz you just replaced sumptin' yer not comfortable about.

You will ALWAYS have battery volts (12v) ennytime yer points are OPEN. Its the LAW, Kirchhoff's Law. When yer points are closed, you should have some reduced value (about 3v) as dictated by the combined ballast resistor and 12-to-6v converting resistor.

As to why yer 9N won't start? My guess yer points have invisible corrosion between them and need to be replaced. (0.015) You do know ittza 2-bolt, 15-min job to remove yer distributor and change the points on yer kitchen table, don't you? You can NOT install outta time because of an "off-set" cam drive scheme .......Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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