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Topic: Re: spark at points none at plug
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Bruce (VA)

11-04-2009 15:08:27
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6v or 12v? It could make a difference troubleshooting.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, & that you have correct voltage to the coil, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw.

2. The insulator at the end of the points where the copper strip attaches.

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate.

4. The condenser wire grounding.

5. The pigtail/tab not making contact.

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket; the coil must not move at all.

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket.

9. Dirty/corroded/incorrectly gapped points

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

Unless the coil is cracked or shows a dead short, chances are it's fine; square coils rarely fail cold. Pull the distributor & do a continuity check.

First, make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. Then, check the gap at .015 on all 4 lobes.

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!


At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it’s easier to do this from the left side). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

Post back w/ results & any other questions.

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larry root

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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-04-2009 15:08:27  
I forgot it is 12 volt

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Dell (WA)

11-04-2009 16:54:42
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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to larry root, 11-04-2009 15:37:51  
Larry......more important, its it a 4-nipple squarecan frontmount distributor ...or... a 5-nipple sidemount distributor. Us guessers really gotta know??? front or side mount. PLEASE lettus know. ......Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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larry root

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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to Dell (WA), 11-04-2009 16:54:42  
Its a front mount dist ,12 volt and it was converted earlier in the summer and ran fine. The coil dont act like it fits the best and I think after a lot of reading on here it needs to be tightened down because I can flip the bail off without hardly any resistance. I am sure its prob something simple I just need you alls wisdom to get me to that point. I also should prob set the timing while I am there?? Thanks again for your patience.

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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to larry root, 11-04-2009 17:28:30  
Gasket missing on coil?

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Bruce (VA)

11-04-2009 17:43:37
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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to larry root, 11-04-2009 17:28:30  
Loose coil? That was #7 on my list of likely failure points.

Yea, it's always a good idea to check the timing. Don't rely on your eyes to tell you when the "points begin to open". Use a test light or meter. When the light goes out or the meter deflects, that's when they begin to open.

Make sure you are using the correct mounting hole, the wide shaft of the tang & rotate it in the correct direction.

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larry root

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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-04-2009 17:43:37  
I done all the checks for continuity and everything was good, I bent the coil bail so that is nice and snug but still no sparkie. I set the timing and had to move the plate to its furthest point to do so.
I have 12 volts to the coil and at am a loss ,I am trying to get ahold of another distributor to try.
Thanks all.

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Bruce (VA)

11-06-2009 15:14:03
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Re: spark at points none at plug in reply to larry root, 11-06-2009 14:40:40  
"I set the timing and had to move the plate to its furthest point to do so."

You don't have a distributor problem; you have a points problem.

What brand?

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