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musclenut 11-01-2009 16:48:08 64.130.184.241 739362 Report to Moderator	I have two front mount 8ns. One I use all the time and one I"m restoring.I have scalped off the one I"m restoring the generator battery and coil. I"m now getting to the point where I need to decide what to do about replacing the parts. 6 volt verus 12 volt. It seems 12 volt parts are cheaper. I"m leaning toward converting to 12 volt but I"m afraid If I buy one of the kits I"ll get a box of second rate parts. Any opinions would be helpful. Sorry about beating a dead horse here. Thanks. [Reply]   [Send Email]
Hobo,NC 11-03-2009 15:19:07 98.16.15.68 739653 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to sgtbull, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   Bruce (VA) said: (quoted from post at 14:52:22 11/02/09) For the rebuild, give these guys a call & they can tell you how to ship it & give you a quote: Automotive Manufacturers Inc 2400 N Lombardy St Richmond, VA 23220-1520 (804) 321-6861 I've never had much luck w/ a back yard generator or starter rebuild (other than replacing brushes). After a few of my failures, I learned to just take the stuff to these guys. You will have no problem w/ the distributor. Unless you crank the starter for 2 or 3 minutes straight, the 6v starter won't give you any trouble either. But, if it has an old bendix on it, twice the voltage slamming it into the flywheel is going to cause it to fail quicker than it would w/ 6v. 50 Tips I am do'n a case study on that myth,,, going on close to 10 years with the original style drive on a 12V conversion. starter dive failer's are very uncommon,,, if the issue did bother someone they can have the starter converted to 12V to slow it down,,, mite as well go for the kill... I have had plenty of 6V starter drive issues fixed by converting to 12V,,, no more kick'n out bout the time the engine hits and does not start,,, you know the drill WARNING :!: all I know I read on the Internet,,, do it enuff and you can become a guru also,,, not responsible for damages,,, I read it and just pass it along,,, proceed with caution   [Reply]   [No Email]
musclenut 11-02-2009 05:39:37 66.38.32.17 739439 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to musclenut, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   Thanks for all the replies. I beleive I"m going to go with the 12 volt kit from this site. I would like to go with electronic igniton but I have all ready rebuilt the distributor. I"m mechanicly inclined as long as I have some form of a wiring diagram I can figure it out. Is a float charger the same as a trickle charger? Bruce(VA) Who rebuilds generators or were can I buy a kit? Are there any problems that arise using the original starter and distributor with the 12V system? Thanks for all the help!   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Bruce (VA) 11-02-2009 05:52:22 24.125.26.10 739442 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to musclenut, 11-02-2009 05:39:37   For the rebuild, give these guys a call & they can tell you how to ship it & give you a quote: Automotive Manufacturers Inc 2400 N Lombardy St Richmond, VA 23220-1520 (804) 321-6861 I've never had much luck w/ a back yard generator or starter rebuild (other than replacing brushes). After a few of my failures, I learned to just take the stuff to these guys. You will have no problem w/ the distributor. Unless you crank the starter for 2 or 3 minutes straight, the 6v starter won't give you any trouble either. But, if it has an old bendix on it, twice the voltage slamming it into the flywheel is going to cause it to fail quicker than it would w/ 6v. 50 Tips   [Reply]   [Send Email]
NOXJohn 11-02-2009 04:44:08 67.234.168.0 739433 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to musclenut, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   I have used the 12 volt conversion kits both from this site and from Just8Ns. The instruction could be better but the kits fit together correctly and work. I think both sell the Atlantic kits. Some times you need to drill out a mounting hole to accept an existing bolt that is used but over all it is OK. On the front mount kit you may need to replace the pulley on the alternator with a smaller one that is in the box. PITA but no big deal. All kits I have received from either site have been the one wire alternator set up. The pulley on the alternator is small enough that the engine does not need to be ran very fast to get it to charge. I have never checked the rpm but I believe it will start to charge below 900 rpm. On a front mount I always gut the square can coil and replace it with a real round can coil as shown on HOBO'S web site. If you have the bucks and plan to convert to 12 volts now would be the time to consider electronic ignition. It sure makes a front mount run a lot better. It covers up for wear in the distributor and should make it a long time before you have to pull the distributor again.   [Reply]   [No Email]
J. F. Regan 11-01-2009 19:50:40 24.13.60.45 739408 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to musclenut, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   Just a hint. All of the products that my company offers, have the instruction sheets ONLINE to download and read anytime. I suggest that before purchasing anything technical like a conversion kit - see if the folks selling it won't send you the instruction sheet first. Most reputable companies will do that. Since my expertise is electrical engineering - converting to 12V would seem easy to me but assembling a transmission might be harder for me than someone else. If you read the instructions first on something you can see how hard it all is to do and can ask questions before you get into a bind. Just my idea - your mileage could vary.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Hobo,NC 11-01-2009 19:06:52 98.16.15.68 739399 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to eric borden, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   The biggest opponents to a 12V conversion are from folks that have never tried one (skeered), keep that in mind,,, ask folks who are again it how many have they tried to convert front mounts have a special set of issues 6 are 12,,, can be over came tho and made better. WARNING :!: all I know I read on the Internet,,, do it enuff and you can become a guru also,,, not responsible for damages,,, I read it and just pass it along,,, proceed with caution   [Reply]   [No Email]
joe in wi 11-03-2009 10:35:47 64.136.27.231 739639 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to Hobo,NC, 11-01-2009 19:06:52   i'm still trying to figure out the specific problems encountered with the front mount distributor and the resolutions of those probs. i bought a conversion kit from a Minnesota company from the ebay MOTORS side $109.00 not the sky high prices on the regular side. i was very satisfied with the quality of the kit.(mechanic,cnc machinist,fabricator,welder, no time)although the directions could be clearer as ALL i've seen fall just a bit short of being explicit. anyhoo, just what are the problems encountered with the front mounts and the cures??   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Bruce (VA) 11-01-2009 17:45:37 24.125.26.10 739380 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to musclenut, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   If you do not have a rebuildable generator ($90) plan on $145 for a new one, plus $40 for the v/r. So, $130 - $185 gets you going on 6v. The kit for the frontmount goes for about $145, plus a new 12v battery at $40, plus a 12v wiring harness at $30. Add in resistors to keep your 6v coil plus headlight bulbs at another $10. So, about $225 for 12v. Bottom line, $130/185 vs $225. There is nothing inherently 'wrong' w/ a 12v conversion. The problem is that there are about 6 different ways to convert the tractor to 12v, all of them work, and an infinite number of ways to do it wrong. If you have a basic understanding of tractor mechanics, you can buy a quality kit & do it correctly. Or, you can buy an alternator & fabricate brackets if you are skilled at that sort of stuff. Most problems we read about w/ 12v conversions are as a result of folks getting in over their heads trying to fabricate a conversion, using inferior kits or using kits w/ directions written in Chinese, or buying tractors w/ "Bubba" conversions and now the new owner is stuck with trying to figure it out. Call whoever has kits for sale & ask a few questions. Start with asking them the ohm value of their 12v coil. If they can't answer that simple question about the parts they are selling, then find someone else who can. If it were me, I'd do the math based upon what I had that worked & what I had to replace. If the v/r worked & the generator could be rebuilt, I'd stick w/ 6v. But, if I didn't have a rebuildable generator & needed a v/r, I'd go w/ 12v. In other words, for a working N, I'd go $90 for a generator rebuild & that's it. 50 Tips   [Reply]   [Send Email]
TOM N MS 11-01-2009 17:55:51 70.152.109.250 739383 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-01-2009 17:45:37   Well said, good info, good advice..   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Bruce (VA) 11-01-2009 18:24:37 24.125.26.10 739393 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to TOM N MS, 11-01-2009 17:55:51   Thanks!   [Reply]   [Send Email]
yeow 11-01-2009 17:33:19 65.4.233.82 739376 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to musclenut, 11-01-2009 16:48:08   I'm kinda in the same boat.Ibought a 8n that must have had wiring problems because all the wires were gone,along with the generator.It almost seems like a no brainer to go with the kit offered on this site.The biggest problem I have with batteries is that they sulfate when not used regularly and I'd much rather buy a 12 volt than a 6 volt money wise.Mine's likely to sulfate plus 6 volt systems need to carry twice the amps so wires and connections are more important(bigger).The more I look at the kit on this site it seems like a good deal.   [Reply]   [No Email]
TOM N MS 11-01-2009 18:05:37 70.152.109.250 739387 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to yeow, 11-01-2009 17:33:19   As recommended by others, use a float charger BUT be sure to get a good one, not a $5.99 one. Get a Deltran and you will see it is a quality item compared to some of the others..   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Bruce (VA) 11-01-2009 17:47:23 24.125.26.10 739382 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to yeow, 11-01-2009 17:33:19   A battery doesn't sulfate because it's 6v. 6v or 12v doesn't matter, if it discharges long enough, it will sulfate. As Bob said, put a float charger on it.....or use the tractor.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Bob 11-01-2009 17:41:16 69.178.228.68 739377 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to yeow, 11-01-2009 17:33:19   There's NO reason to let a seldom-used battery to discharge and sulfate. Put a "float charger" on it.   [Reply]   [No Email]
36 coupe 11-02-2009 03:26:18 216.220.250.204 739426 Report to Moderator	Re: Another 6 volt verus 12 volt question in reply to Bob, 11-01-2009 17:41:16   Dont forget the fires started by float chargers and battery chargers.My tractor has been idle for 2 or 3 months and a hydrometer reading monthly showed no loss in charge.Both tractors start with out charging.I repair chargers and did fire reports for our fire dept.many fires were started by chargers.I have seen flames coming out of battery chargers.Battry chargers have no protection when diodes short, transformers will flame.   [Reply]   [No Email]