12v conversion kit

Hey yall, I have a 1947 8N. Do i have to use the resistor with the kit if it has a 12v coil,or why does the kit from this site not come with one ? Which kit do you all recommend ? And how long does it take to install ? .......Thank you

Jay
 
(quoted from post at 18:57:43 07/29/09) Hey yall, I have a 1947 8N. Do i have to use the resistor with the kit if it has a 12v coil,or why does the kit from this site not come with one ? Which kit do you all recommend ? And how long does it take to install ? .......Thank you

Jay
f their instructions don't make it perfectly clear, I would demand my money back. Get the resistor issue wrong & coil goes up in smoke, with dripping plastic.
 
MD farmer.......it don't matter which squarecan ignition coil you use, they BOTH DEMAND the "infamous ballast resistor". don't argue. Some kits include a 12-to-6volt converting resistor to use with the original 6-volt squarecan coil AND the "infamous ballast resistor" together; 'cuz its cheaper than buying a new modern 12-volt squarecan ignition coil. (which still must use the "infamous ballast resistor, understand?)

How long to install? a competent shadetree mechanic, maybe 1-hr. A neubie, 4-hrs 'cuz he don't know 'nuttin'. Don't fergitt, ya also gotta change yer headlites to 12v bulbs. Points don't care 6-or-12v. Condenser don't care, its good for 200-volts. Ammeter don't care 6-or-12v but ammeter does semi-care positive or negative ground. The 12-volt alternator DEMANDS negative ground so the ammeter connections gotta be "reversed".

I advocate the 3-wire conversion using the "idiot-lite" like Delco and GM intended. Many kits are 1-wire and takes about 1800rpms before they start to charge. Dunno about you, I don't like jazzin' a cold engine to 1800rpms. Once turned on, the 1-wire will charge at 600rpms just like the 3-wire.

I know 8-ways to convert to 12-volts and they all work. I know a gazillion+1 ways to do it wrong. ......Dell, a 12-volt advocate for the right reasons, that said, I haven't found the right reason for my eazy starting 6-volt 52-8N and I know how to do it right, the first time.
 
Hey thanks Dell !!!! Great info ! I guess i have to give it some thought before I change to 12v. I guess the only reason I was thinking of changing was that I couldnt get my battery to charge so I figured it wouldnt be a bad upgrage.
 
So it won't charge & you're going to convert it to 12v? Why not check out the generator, battery & v/r before you just start replacing parts?

From my experience, I've only found two reasons to convert an N to 12v: If you need to run 12v equipment (sprayers, pumps, lights, etc) or your N has poor compression (like less than 90 lbs) and you do not want to rebuild it, then a 12v conversion makes sense.
Otherwise, some folks end up trading one set of problems for another. If an N is hard to start in cold weather (or any weather) they should find out why & fix it! These tractors have low compression, low HP engines and will start just fine on 6v.

There is nothing inherently 'wrong' w/ a 12v conversion. The problem is that there are about 6 different ways to convert the tractor to 12v, all of them work, and an infinite number of ways to do it wrong. If the owner has a basic understanding of tractor mechanics, he could buy a quality kit & do it correctly. Or, he could buy an alternator & fabricate brackets. Of course, if the owner had a basic understanding of tractor mechanics, he could just as easily fix the problem that he was trying to cure with the 12v conversion. Most problems we read about w/ 12v conversions are as a result of folks getting in over their heads trying to fabricate a conversion, using inferior kits or using kits w/ directions written in Chinese, or buying tractors w/ "Bubba" conversions and now the new owner is stuck with trying to figure it out. I can tell you that a wage earning mechanic known to many of us on this board summed up every conversion kit he was familiar with by saying that all are bad & some are worse. He makes his own for that very reason.

All four of my N's are 6v & they all four start the first time, every time, no matter what the weather. You will find that to be the case with folks who live in a lot of places much colder than VA.

Now before the 12v advocates give me a spanking, let me add that lots of folks around here have 12v conversions & are perfectly happy w/ them because the conversions were done correctly. 12v is also more forgiving of poor grounds/weak cables, etc than 6v, so keeping everything "clean, bright & tight" in the system is not as critical. 12v gives you twice as much current & a faster spinning starter. And, because 6v headlights are 35w & 12v are 55w, the headlights are brighter.

You will spend probably $160 for a kit. If you install it correctly you will have an easy starting tractor for a long time. And, the 12 conversion will have just about nothing to do w/ the good performance. What will make the real difference is the new wiring, cables, clean grounds & new battery.

Plenty of 6v tractors start just fine in MI, NY, WI.....and have been doing so for years. Because they have the correct size cables, good batteries, & clean, bright & tight grounds & connections. And, the correct gaskets in the distributor.

This post is a good example of what I'm talking about:

"kilroy

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my 48 8n is 6v with points in a front mount, and at -30 it fires right up, no block heater, just have to tend the choke for a minute. Have run in the rain and snow and have never had to dry the disributer, just used all the little gaskets and guess it sealed up. I like the points because if they do get wet, dry them, they work again, dont know if the electronics are that way but they cost a lot more to replace than points I'm sure"
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