12volt conversion kit, now no spark

todd 2n ford

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I drove my 46 2N into my garage and installed a 12volt conversion kit, now there is no spark at the plugs. There is power at the coil with the key on, and there is power at the alt. at all times, just no spark at the plugs. plug wires are new along with new cap and rotor.
 
Great so you fixed it till it don't work no more!

Power at the ALT is normal.

Make sure points close and open.. check the voltage at the coil... it should fluctuate as the points open and close.

soundguy
 
Trace the wires from the switch through the ballast resistor and possibly through a second resistor to the coil. You should have battery voltage at the post on top of the coil with the point open. If you have a "12 volt coil", you should have about 10 - 10.5 volts with the points closed. If you have a 6 volt coil, you should have about 3.5 volts with the points closed. If you have voltage at the top of the coil, try streaching the springy thing on the bottom of the coil to get it to have better contact.

Post back with more symptoms,
Danny
 
Yea, a 12v conversion really makes it start better, doesn't it?! :)

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1. The insulator under the concave head screw.

2. The insulator at the end of the points where the copper strip attaches.

3. The copper strip grounded to the plate.

4. The condenser wire grounding.

5. The pigtail/tab not making contact.

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor.

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket.

I’ll assume that if you have a 50+ year old tractor that you have a test meter.

I have discovered that 75% of “no spark” problems on frontmounts are as a result of poorly aligned parts or wires & not parts failures. Remember, you are dealing w/ parts made over 50 years ago that have seen a lot of wear & tear. They just don’t fit together like they used to.

First, turn the key on & crank the engine while you look at the ammeter. What is it doing? If it deflects, that means your points are opening & closing. If it shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that means you need to do some more checking.

If the voltage never drops when the engine is cranking, that means the points are not closing or you have lost contact between the pigtail & the brass screw or the tab & the cap.

Next, check for continuity inside the distributor w/ a meter. It is very easy to ground the tip of the condenser wire to the body of the distributor when you replaced the points. Also, make sure the condenser wire does not go through the same opening in the distributor that the coil pig tail does. The condenser wire goes the opening on the top right. Look at the points; are they burned, pitted or mis-aligned? Check the point gap, .015 on all four lobes. Make sure you are using quality parts; the points should have a phenolic rubbing block & not the cheap white plastic crap. Make sure you have the star washers under the screws on the points.

Next, with the distributor still off the tractor, install the coil. Look at the pigtail on the coil; is it touching the brass screw w/ the concave head inside of the distributor? Don’t trust your eyes; test for continuity from the top of the coil to the points. If you do not have continuity, stretch the pigtail a bit until you do. (some people would rather put a small washer under the brass screw) Make sure that the pigtail is not grounded to the clip that holds the distributor plate in place; sometimes you can move the plate while setting the timing & actually ground the pigtail. Your meter should tell you this even if your eyes don’t! Also, look at the little tab opposite of the pigtail; bend it a bit also to insure that it will contact the distributor cap. Another common failure point is the insulator in the tab on the distributor plate where the brass screw w/ the concave head goes; it holds the copper strip from the points. Again, your meter will usually tell you if you have a problem, but you might have to wiggle the copper strip a bit. Once you are sure that you have good continuity inside the distributor, you should be good to go.

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it helps to loosen the fan belt). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.
50 Tips
 
BRUCE (VA), most of the corrective actions you suggest are valid....and they are EQUALLY APPLICABLE TO 6 VOLT SYSTEMS....

Gets wearisome reading your nags on the 12 volt systems.

If you're trying to helpful, try being FAIR, too. You ain't running for office here.

Your shots are strangely absent when the question is on a 6 volt.... maybe that is why you need to know whether it is 6 or 12 volt tractor...

duey, who likes his 12 volt!
 
You've been around here long enough to know that a lot of us enjoy the 6v/12v banter. 99% of it is all the tongue-in-cheek variety. And, you also know that the question about it being 6v or 12v is perfectly applicable in troubleshooting an electrical problem.

And, after reading my post again, I think every single suggestion, not most, are valid & applicable to 12v and that's why I offered my suggestions.

I don't have any problem w/ a 12v system & I try as best as I can to be an "equal voltage" advocate when it comes to replies.
 
Bruce, that is fair enough, though it does seem that most of the "banter" runs in the one direction.

Troubleshooting (like oil-can maintenance!!) is darn near a lost art, and it is certainly foreign to non-mechanical types.

duey
 
Troubleshooting is indeed a lost art. I just mentioned to my wife yesterday how rare it was to see an appliance repair van sitting at the stoplight next to us. It really bothers me to trash stuff because it costs more to fix it that it does to buy a new one.
 
I find fixing stuff is personally satisfying, rewarding. I've even fixed stuff and THEN thrown it away............ let's not go there!!
 

He's just jealous cuzz he knows my EZ start'n 12V N can whoop his 6V n enny day,,, sides I can run this he can't least at this price

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?Item=20-1612-A&UID=2008120821164247
 
Which reminds me of a war story.....

A buddy got back from V-N w/ 4 months left. At 3 months, you got an early-out. But, longer than 3 months, you served your time. As a SGT E-5, he got assigned to post HQ doing "ash & trash" details. He had a crew of GI's scraping & painting some old WWII barracks. After a few days, a contractor showed up & started tearing down the very same barracks his crew had just painted!
 
MY guess is the little spring on bttm of coil is not making contact with screw on points,did you change the coil?points-condenser?
 

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