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tbone8 02-19-2013 12:36:11 67.163.95.35 Report to Moderator	Hi, we got a low houred 372 out of a Class combine we want to put in our MF 1130. I did some reading on the net and they mentioned the cranks may be different. I looked at parts schematics from 372 in MF combines and they had 3 small bolts in the front of the crank while 1130 had one big nut. The Claas combine engine has the big nut so I am hoping it will be a fairly easy swap? Thanks in advance, Tom [Reply]   [No Email]
jogl 02-20-2013 01:38:46 64.66.229.172 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to tbone8, 02-19-2013 12:36:11   Well, it is certainly one of the best families of engines ever, so if it works stick with it. The 354, 236, and Case 504 are the best engines we've run, by far. JP. [Reply]  [No Email]
Robert Major 02-19-2013 19:34:34 216.130.90.175 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to tbone8, 02-19-2013 12:36:11   Hi I Don't know if it fit's with out a lot of work but it will be a weapon of a tractor if you get it in there !. The 372 is a long stroke motor. we got one in a 750 combine and it hammers the 354 turbo motor. I know a guy had 2 David Brown tractors back in England with a 354 turbo and a 372 non turbo fitted as a conversions. He said the 372 non turbo was twice the tractor the other one was too. Good luck with it. Regards Robert [Reply]  [No Email]
Dieseltech 02-19-2013 20:25:36 199.16.223.2 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Robert Major, 02-19-2013 19:34:34   354 and 372 are both 5 inch stroke, 354 is 3 7/8 bore while 372 is 3 15/16 bore. Perkins must have liked 5 inch stroke, 192, 203, 236, 248, and 318 were all 5 inch stroke 4 cylinders. [Reply]  [No Email]
Robert Major 02-22-2013 18:14:47 216.130.71.86 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Dieseltech, 02-19-2013 20:25:36   Ok sorry for that I new it was different somewhere inside been about 12 years since I looked it up when we bought the combine. The 372 will still hammer the turbo 354 what ever the out come, it has been proved twice on 2 different continents. Regards Robert [Reply]  [No Email]
Dieseltech 02-22-2013 21:07:02 199.16.223.2 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Robert Major, 02-22-2013 18:14:47   Must be something wrong with the turbo 354s you have seen. Stock 372 hydraulic head is 9 MM plunger size while T 354 injection pumps have 10 MM heads. 372 pumps are 72 cc average full load fuel setting while most T 354 pumps are 88-90 cc. Very critical to keep good fuel filter care on T354 or low power will be the result. MF 750 with 372 needed the M&W turbo kit to have enough power to unload on the go when I worked at MF dealer years ago. Had a lot of low power complaints without the turbo. [Reply]  [No Email]
Robert Major 02-24-2013 11:25:16 216.130.73.254 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Dieseltech, 02-22-2013 21:07:02   Hi Our 750 unloads on the move fine with no power issues. dads not a test pilot either lol, so maybe the fact he's not trying to go at 10 mph helps. as for the 354 against 372 I don't know why the 72s seem to be better. Maybe the pumps have been messed with over the years to get more power. I can only comment from what I have seen or heard from the guys involved. These things are pretty old now as with all the combines and tractors from the 70's and 80's. Its like guys told me in a post here I knew nothing and was an idiot talking about 1135 and 55 tractors, They said There where no problems in the trans and rear ends . I've seen enough over my time to know there is problems with them. That's the reason nobody round here will pay anything for them in sales. Maybe it runs in different areas too who knows. Regards Robert [Reply]  [No Email]
Dieseltech 02-24-2013 16:28:12 199.16.223.2 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Robert Major, 02-24-2013 11:25:16   Most of what I see problem wise still comes down to maintenence. Better care equals better service. Dad has an MF 1100D bought new with 7000 plus hours, water pump has been repaired 3 times that I recall, no other larger repairs. He does keep good filter and oil change service. We still have several older MH and MF tractors, brother still has 2 750 combines also, but don't use much after his newer MF with draper head was used the first time. These heads work so much better, faster, and don't put rocks in the combine. He traded off 2 8570 and auger heads for a MF and Agco Cat model. Has never enjoyed running beens like he does now. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dieseltech 02-19-2013 13:22:37 75.146.127.109 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to tbone8, 02-19-2013 12:36:11   Check oil filter location too, is it on the same side on each block, think 1130 had an oil cooler too. Also had oil drilled rods to lube wristpins that 372 did not have. May bolt in with no trouble. Know of a 372 in an Oliver 1850 with a turbo set up for pulling, went in fairly easily. [Reply]  [No Email]
brentp4455 02-20-2013 14:23:22 70.199.114.13 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Dieseltech, 02-19-2013 13:22:37   is there a difference in cranks between a turbo and non turbo? [Reply]  [No Email]
Dieseltech 02-20-2013 21:03:05 199.16.223.2 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to brentp4455, 02-20-2013 14:23:22   Yes, turbo cranks are heat treated, rods are drilled for oil to pin bushings, which are also larger size than non-turbo engines. Hardened exhaust valve seats used in turbo head also are a few of the changes. [Reply]  [No Email]
brentp4455 02-21-2013 08:37:49 70.199.102.4 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to Dieseltech, 02-20-2013 21:03:05   so would an otherwise stock 372 not hold up under a turbo? [Reply]  [No Email]
Dieseltech 02-21-2013 13:46:55 75.146.127.109 Report to Moderator	Re: Will a 372 from1976 Claas Combine go in an 1130? in reply to brentp4455, 02-21-2013 08:37:49   Think it depends how high max fuel is set. M&W Gear had a turbo kit for the 372 in MF 750 combines that were short on power when unloading on the go that really helped. Know of an Oliver 1850 puller that has one with a turbo, fuel cranked up, runs good, that's all it's used for. [Reply]  [No Email]