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Charles Branch 01-24-2013 11:13:26 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	In another thread I described my problems getting the bad starter off my 2130 with a Woods 1020 FEL. The loader frame reduced the already minimal clearance to turn the bolt and cap screw. I bought a half moon wrench, but it was curved too much, and I couldn't even get it on the nut. I finally went to Advanced Auto to buy a cheap wrench that I could bend slightly. But I first went ahead and tried the straight wrench. I was able to get in on, and could turn the nut a few degrees, but not enough to be able to get another bite with the wrench. However, I tried just turning the wrench over, and discovered that the points were out of alignment just slightly, so I was able to get another bite and rotate the wrench a few more degrees. By my calculations it took about 30 bites with the wrench just to get a full 360 degrees rotation. After about an hour I was finally able to get both the bolt and cap screw off and removed the starter. Finally, here is my question: Are 12 point box wrenches deliberately made to be slightly out of alignment for just this reason, or did I just get lucky? [Reply]   [No Email]
Determined 01-26-2013 19:23:33 216.130.212.139 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-24-2013 11:13:26   Depending on what is wrong with your starter, often you can change solenoid, brushes, rear bushing and even the winding without removing the starter from the engine. [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Harv 01-24-2013 16:59:25 184.151.114.131 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-24-2013 11:13:26   I have a 2130 and a 2550, same engines. I have had to change starters on both and it works just like you said, flip the wrench both ways to get one notch. Sometimes I have had to use 2 different wrenches switched back and forth to get it done. What is really fun is putting that bottom bolt back in! Last time I put it in place and started the threads holding the bolt with 2 screwdrivers and lots of patience. The mechanic at the local dealer told me he has a crowfoot like the ones described in the other posts. I have to change the starter on the 2550 again as soon as it warms up, and I just might make a crowfoot for myself. [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles Branch 01-25-2013 05:17:40 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Old Harv, 01-24-2013 16:59:25   You're right that getting the bottom bolt started back in can be a problem. I forgot to mention that I used a very long surgical clamp and a screwdriver to do that. I grabbed the bolt GENTLY over the threads just below the head, and held it in place while using the screwdriver on the head of the bolt to apply pressure. Then, by turning the bolt with the clamp, loosening the clamp to get another bite, and then turning it a little more, it was real easy to get the bolt started. I also used the same clamp to remove the bolt faster once the wrench got it loosened. The clamp I used was an old surplus De Bakey cardiovascular clamp, but those are pretty pricey. You can find similar clamps by Googling "long surgical clamp." I'm including a link to one source. Long surgical clamp [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Harv 01-26-2013 16:57:05 184.151.114.240 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-25-2013 05:17:40   That surgical clamp is a great idea. Gonna get me one of those. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tech 7 01-24-2013 12:43:39 206.47.90.66 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-24-2013 11:13:26   Was this an older 2130 with the engine oil cooler under the starter? They are nice! I have made up some different wrenches over the years. Due to my inability to post pictures I will try to decribe it in case you ever need to repeat the job: Obtain a 12" length of 3/8 rod and weld a nut on the end. Buy a cheap 9/16 wrench and cut the box end off leaving about an inch of "handle" weld the wrench to the other end of the rod so it end up looking like a L shape.I also have one with a short handle on the nut end...sort of a "speed wrench. [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles Branch 01-24-2013 13:22:00 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Tech 7, 01-24-2013 12:43:39   It's supposed to be a 1977 model. SN 238209L. I have had it about five years, and like it a lot. I use it mainly with a grapple rake on the FEL. Only problem is the Load/Depth control doesn't seem to work. On my old 1020, it works well, which is very handy for things like box blade and disc. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 01-27-2013 04:39:55 67.142.163.23 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-24-2013 13:22:00   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see L/D control probably is out of adjustment on your tractor with SN 238209L. I'd suggest going through the adjustments of L/D mechanism as outlined in the JD service manual. [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles Branch 01-27-2013 05:15:38 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Tx Jim, 01-27-2013 04:39:55   Good idea. I recall having to change the load control shaft to fix a hydraulic leak when I first got the tractor. I'm wondering if we did something wrong in that job. Sometimes when I lower the implement, it will suddenly just rise on its own. I remember being amazed at the time when I first read how the L/D mechanism worked. I surprises me that they don't all develop leaks, what with the abuse we put on the three point hitch doing things like pushing up privet with a box blade. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 01-27-2013 06:36:48 67.142.163.23 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-27-2013 05:15:38   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Does control handle stay where it's set when 3pt raises or does handle move also? If handle moves then the friction washers on handle are worn and need shimmed or replaced. [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles Branch 01-27-2013 08:57:45 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Tx Jim, 01-27-2013 06:36:48   The control handle stays fixed. In fact, the implement often will come back up even while I still have my hand on the handle. It's like it has a mind of its own. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 01-27-2013 09:35:27 67.142.163.21 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-27-2013 08:57:45   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see In all my years of employment at a JD dealership I never witnessed a JD utility tractor 3pt act as you described. [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles Branch 01-27-2013 11:00:39 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Tx Jim, 01-27-2013 09:35:27   My old 1020 never did that either. My neighbor noticed the same thing when he borrowed the 2130 to go over his field with a chisel plow. Whenever you want to take a vacation to East Alabama, let me know, and I'll arrange a demonstration. :) And I would even let you get the old 1020 running again too. Seriously, maybe I ought to start a separate thread on the strange lift behavior. But I'll spend some time reading the service manual first, so I'll understand better how it's supposed to work. [Reply]  [No Email]
Charles Branch 01-24-2013 13:16:20 75.143.67.34 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Tech 7, 01-24-2013 12:43:39   Thanks for the idea. I'm hoping this starter will outlive me, but I'll file your suggestion in case it dies before I do. :) [Reply]  [No Email]
Wilamayb 01-24-2013 12:15:17 164.144.248.26 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-24-2013 11:13:26   I just changed the starter on a dubuque engine and used a crow's foot for a 3/8 drive ratchet to remove the inside bolt. The crow's foot will have to be fairly sleek and streamlined. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tim S 01-24-2013 11:41:24 75.49.13.105 Report to Moderator	Re: JD 2130 Starter Removal in reply to Charles Branch, 01-24-2013 11:13:26   There is a bit of method to the madness, but wrenches vary from brand to brand, I have worked hard to get bolts with 2 or 3 different wrenches, I also have a drawer in my box with "Home made" bent wrenches,,some times in a bad spot it"s like "milking a mouse" to get a bolt out.. an old mechanic told me once "if it was easy every body would be doing it"... [Reply]  [No Email]