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steve murrell 02-17-2013 16:06:04 184.9.226.246 Report to Moderator	A local aution is selling a deere 1360 pull type disc mower next weekend. It does not have the conditioner rollers in it. However it does have some sort of roller with pcs on it to fluff the hay as it comes out the back. I know nothing about disc mowers or discbines. Any help would be great. Is there any issues I need to check out before buying it. I'm no dummy when comes to hay equipment, I've been hay farming for about 16 yrs. I'm just looking for something good to replace my old nh 479. thanks steve, [Reply]   [No Email]
low budget 02-19-2013 05:47:43 74.36.62.253 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   The Deere 1360 was very popular in my part of central NY when new. In some cases it was the only green piece of equipment on the farm. They still are popular on smaller farms and as backup machines and will bring about 3 or 4000 at auctions in nice shape. Parts are very expensive so condition is everything. My first discbine was a used Kuhn 300. After 2 years I replaced it with a used JD 1360. I found the JD to be a better balanced machine and built stronger in many areas. I still have my 1360 as a backup machine. The neighbor actually uses it much more than I do. It still works fine, I just didnt want to trust it as my main machine for 170 acres of hay. [Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS 02-19-2013 10:08:48 216.118.158.123 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to low budget, 02-19-2013 05:47:43   Header flotation is often not as good on the Deere's as the Kuhns. Deere used just enough different system to make it not work so good. It's kinda odd given the a large part of the Deere mower is Kuhn... Rod [Reply]  [No Email]
steve murrell 02-18-2013 20:38:24 174.238.195.36 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   Thanks jd seller i will stay clear of these models. I have a local used equipment dealer whom is also looking for a ni 5209 for me. He does not sell junk and he goes thru his equipment( and if need be will overhaul it and not make any money, I have personally seen him do this). He has built a good rep and I have bought some items from him that work very well. I custom bale approx 200 acres a year and hold down a full time factory job as a machinist so the speed of the discbine is what I need. I do not want a 3pt mower because most of the time I move the mower from farm to farm with my truck. It has to be a pull behind only. Thanks for the replys they were very helpful. [Reply]  [No Email]
showcrop 02-18-2013 12:10:47 75.67.231.80 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   i'll just add in that it could go for stupid cheap money and you could kick yourself for not bidding IF it is tight. I recommend grasping each disc at a blade mounting point and try turning it and lifting it. If you get more than 1/8 inch movement up or down, or 1/8 inch before the next disc starts to turn, that is too much. [Reply]  [No Email]
steve murrell 02-18-2013 05:09:47 184.9.217.115 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   What type of cutter bar does the new idea 5209 have. Is there anything i should know about this machine? [Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS 02-18-2013 09:45:44 216.118.158.123 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-18-2013 05:09:47   That's a shaft drive bar. Just check it over carefully and make sure all of the bearings in the turtle shafts are tight and there's nothing out of time from busted or worn out gears. Most of the north american branded stuff from the late 90's onwards is all shaft drive bars. Most of the old stuff is gear bed; for the most part a Kuhn bar. Just watch out for the really old ones from the early 80's that have the bolt together (non-modular) Kuhn bar. Those are a major amount of work to rebuild if they need love... although when they work they are a very good bar. It's just that the probablilty of finding a good one at this point in time is probably fairly slim. Rod [Reply]  [No Email]
Erik Ks farmer 02-18-2013 06:34:27 199.241.240.16 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-18-2013 05:09:47   What is your thinking on a 9' disc mower spending up your cutting time? Going to mow earlier or mow later? I am in the same boat on needing faster mow times, but my thought is I don't really want to cover that ground at a faster ground speed than I mow at with a sickle machine. I am a firm believer that faster ground speeds destroy equipment. So I opted to the larger machine, 3' more cut easily shaves 1/3 of the mow time and a hydra swing tongue should cut the time down more, I'm thinking a 4 round headland and then lay it off back and forth across the field. Also I know that a lot of guys claim the disc mower will speed you up since you can mow with the dew on, it just goes against my grain to lay hay down with excess moisture on the crop. Just my thoughts, I'm curious as to yours as well. [Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS 02-18-2013 09:40:34 216.118.158.123 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 02-18-2013 06:34:27   Ground speed makes almost no difference to the rate of destruction on a discbine. Rocks and rough ground do, in that order. I've got one of those here who likes to preach about how the world needs to run at 3 mph because that's how it was always done and it saves on equipment... then drags the rocks 100 feet down the field because there isn't the presence of mind to stop and lift the mower. Then comes home needing 1000 bucks worth of parts. The arabs love him too since it doubles the fuel bill to do the same amount of work. The way I see it... if you want to drive at 3mph you might just as well stay with the haybine and run it on a smaller tractor and save the fuel. Rod [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 02-18-2013 09:09:25 67.142.163.20 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 02-18-2013 06:34:27   I'll add to what Erik stated that larger disc cutters require "more HP". [Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS 02-17-2013 20:51:05 216.118.158.123 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   If the machine has been maintained I'd not worry about this one any more than any other of it's vintage. Yes... it does have a Kuhn bar which is literally the ONLY selling point for the machine. If they'd licensed the remainder of the Kuhn FC they'd have had a good machine. This IS a modular bar and you can replace most parts as assemblies in less than an hour if necessary. Biggest thing is to keep oil in the bar and keep the CV joint greased. They don't like rock either... so if you have rock or rough terrain it's probably going to smash some modules and shoes on you. That gets expensive... As far as the impellar conditioner... it's a lot better than a chevron with no rubber left. Actually, any studies I've seen on the subject suggest that impellars are a more effective conditioning system. The 1460 Deere is the same basic machine as the 1360 except it has rubber rollers... and a gyro style hitch. Just check the old thing over and make sure there's NO slop in the turtles. If it's tight it's a 1.5-2k mower. If not... 500 buck mower. Rod [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 02-18-2013 03:35:34 67.142.163.22 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to RodInNS, 02-17-2013 20:51:05   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see The JD 1360/1460 don't have what I call a "modular" cutter bar that can be repaired in less than an hour if it requires any of the gears(parts keys #14 or #23) [Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS 02-18-2013 05:02:38 216.118.158.123 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to Tx Jim, 02-18-2013 03:35:34   I've never had to change one of them... but my expectation is that they come out the module holes once the center is removed from the gear. You won't fix those stupid shaft bars that quick either if you get deep into one. The main problem with this bar is shearing the turtle shafts off flush with the bearing when they hit a rock. Rod [Reply]  [No Email]
steve murrell 02-17-2013 20:21:11 174.231.134.199 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   Thanks jd seller i will stay clear of these models. I have a local used equipment dealer whom is also looking for a ni 5209 for me. He does not sell junk and he goes thru his equipment( and if need be will overhaul it and not make any money, I have personally seen him do this). He has built a good rep and I have bought some items from him that work very well. I custom bale approx 200 acres a year and hold down a full time factory job as a machinist so the speed of the discbine is what I need. I do not want a 3pt mower because most of the time I move the mower from farm to farm with my truck. It has to be a pull behind only. Thanks for the replys they were very helpful. [Reply]  [No Email]
Ken Macfarlane 02-19-2013 11:44:37 142.166.168.2 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 20:21:11   The 5209 and family are good machines. They are easily rebuildable with new hex shaft and the updated modules with wider bearing surface. Keep oil in the gearboxes. I bought one that needs work to use as my backup machine, my only wish was that it had quick change blades. [Reply]  [No Email]
JD Seller 02-17-2013 18:58:09 208.126.196.144 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   I am a JD guy and I would stay away from the 60 and 70 series disk mower from JD. The cutter bar is a Kuhn bar. They where a fine cutter bar but they are 25 years old. The parts are available but you can easily stick $2-3K in parts alone if the cutter bar has issues. Unless you are mowing a lot of hay I would stick with a simple sickle machine used. The disk machines can be a money pit to repair. [Reply]  [No Email]
Erik Ks farmer 02-17-2013 17:22:50 199.241.240.16 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   I have never owned a disc mower or disc moco, for the simple reason that I will only run a mower conditioner and I can not afford a late model disc version. I am very leery of buying an older disc mower, as I understand it they are very expensive to maintain and unlike newer models the turtles are not independently serviceable like the newer models. Depending on your needs I would suggest one of two things, either a newer 488 New Holland mower conditioner which is nearly identical to your 479 but is still in production. Or a late model 3pt disc mower which will sell for similar money to the disc moco you are looking at. I ran a 488NH and 489NH over 400 acres of first cut for several years with very minimal repair. This will be my first year with a 12 foot 8360 CIH hydra swing, I am hoping that it will cut my mow time considerably with the 3 foot larger cut and the ability to maneuver faster with the hydra swing tongue. [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 02-17-2013 18:30:55 71.208.220.239 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to Erik Ks farmer, 02-17-2013 17:22:50   Eric,you're gonna love that hydroswing! I have run one for 20 years.They are nice because you dont have another engine/drivetrain to deal with. [Reply]  [No Email]
johnwayne360 02-17-2013 16:55:21 68.169.251.102 Report to Moderator	Re: jd 1360 disc mower in reply to steve murrell, 02-17-2013 16:06:04   make sure the cutterbar is in good shape. If the cutterbar isnt good, it is more money then the rest of the machine is probably worth. Turn the turtles, make sure they all turn at the same time, no looseness in the gearing. Impeller conditioners-what i think you have on that one-are ok..easy to adjust, probably better on grassy crops though. All in all were a good machine, but are getting some age on them. [Reply]  [No Email]