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allen in texas 12-22-2012 16:51:38 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	It's gonna work. I just need to drill 4 more holes [Reply]   [No Email]
Michael Soldan 12-23-2012 07:34:09 24.235.38.4 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-22-2012 16:51:38   Did those plows take an "Ace Bottom" plowshare? I have an old plow that I am sure was Cockshutt and parts of it look identical(not a rollover) [Reply]  [No Email]
JD Seller 12-23-2012 07:17:12 208.126.196.144 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-22-2012 16:51:38   Allen I have a few questions??? Why did you have to drill any holes??? I have switched 5 or 6 Oliver/White plows from one width to another and it was just moving things to the correct bolt holes that where already in the plow beam. In you first posting before you had done anything you showed the top of the beam and it had the three sets of holes that usually adjusted them from 14,16,18 inches. Also on the regular plows I adjusted you left the front plow bottom alone and moved each one back closer. It looks like you did it the other way. Is this because it is a roll over plow? or did you go the wrong way??? Maybe Delta Red can answer me as he has had roll over plows for years. I always wanted one but they are not very common around here. One local dealer did have a fully mounted six bottom roll over. He got it in a dealer close out deal and had to take all the new equipment the other dealer had. We never did figure out what kind of tractor would pick it up. We tried a White 2-180/MFWD with a full set of front end weights and it would stand straight up. He finally just used all the bottom parts off of it a scraped the rest of it. [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 12-23-2012 08:10:36 67.6.219.50 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to JD Seller, 12-23-2012 07:17:12   JD,Those Olivers you left the 2nd bottom alone and adjusred the others to it to get the correct 'width'.The frame is drilled to accomdate that.Tractor wheels are moved to the correct width.What Allen did was to redrill the holes in order to move the plow bottoms over to avoid moveing the tractor wheels.That 'long' Oliver frame makes it possible to reposition the bottoms.As to the 6 bottom????Lots of 5 and 6 bottoms are used here.There is even a 7 bottom here that is pulled by a newer Agco/Allis MFWD.The owner is talking about adding another bottom.... [Reply]  [No Email]
JD Seller 12-23-2012 19:32:20 208.126.196.144 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to DeltaRed, 12-23-2012 08:10:36   Well Steve that makes sense now. I see what Allen is doing. On that set of plow that where around here. They where The same as a White 588 plow but fully mounted 6 bottoms. They had the dished rolling coulters on the top and bottom gangs. Plus they where auto reset as well. They where HEAVY. We took them and weighted them on a scale. They weight 8800 lbs. We did plow with them one time with another friend's JD 8770 4wd. It handled them as far as lifting them but it really needed an onland hitch to work correctly. It was a shame as these plows where BRAND new. They never plowed more than 5-6 acres of ground. I finally helped him find other plow frames with bad bottoms and used up the right hand stuff. The left hand coulters where the same as the rights with just the coulter bolted on flipped. We used the standards and made two plows auto reset. All of the left hand parts and the roll over frame we advertised and never sold any of it. We finally hauled all of it to the scrap yard. The moldboards, shins, and points where same as new. Sold them all for scrap. To maybe help you feel a little better this was in 1989. So it has been a long time ago. Looking back I should have bought them and just cut them down to a set of 4 or 5 bottoms and used them. I would still like to have a set to maintain terraces. [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-23-2012 08:17:34 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to DeltaRed, 12-23-2012 08:10:36   "What Allen did was to redrill the holes in order to move the plow bottoms over to avoid moveing the tractor wheels" Bingo!! Why didn't I say that? I "could" move my wheels out but it's a pain in the rear and I didn't wanna. :D I guess I should comment on the 'torched off" place at the front of the frame. The previous owner had welded a frame to pull a packer. I ain't gonna pull a packer and it added about another 150 pounds to the plow. this thing is already pretty heavy. I'll grind it nice and pretty before I am done. You'll never know it was there. This post was edited by allen in texas at 08:20:40 12/23/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-23-2012 07:49:48 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to JD Seller, 12-23-2012 07:17:12   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Ok, this plow does have the holes for 14,16 and 18 inches. To make the adjustments (the way it is designed to be made) only the front and rear bottoms are moved. In my case I couldn't get the bottoms to fit my tire spacing so I moved the front bottom to the holes for the 14 inch spacing but I put them INSIDE the holes and that moved the front bottom 8 inches toward the center of the plow. I have to drill two additional holes to bolt the bottom to the frame. The middle bottom was moved to the inside holes also so I have to drill holes for it also. that move it 4 inches toward center. I left the rear where it was. I think another picture is in order. BRB [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-23-2012 07:58:14 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-23-2012 07:49:48   These are pics of the holes of the middle bottom. it is not supposed to be moved but I did it. Hope this clears it up. This post was edited by allen in texas at 08:00:49 12/23/12 2 times. [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 12-23-2012 10:33:45 67.6.219.50 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-23-2012 07:58:14   Allen,fix/replace that bent bolt on the standard.that helps hold things together.For shear bolts'use grade 5.use a 'nylock'nut on it.they will come loose otherwise and shear faster because the beam/side plates will tend to separate if not kept tight. [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 12-23-2012 10:40:53 67.6.219.50 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to DeltaRed, 12-23-2012 10:33:45   I would buy shear bolts a dozen or so at a time.I mounted a small toolbox on the 'headstock'.kept bolts/nuts;wrench,ratchet/socket;tapered punch;hammer,etc.Carried a sledgehammer in the cab.Even when the 'tripped' bottom was returned to 'home',it always require a few raps with the sledge. [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-23-2012 17:51:02 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to DeltaRed, 12-23-2012 10:40:53   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Ok replace the shear bolts. got it. Grade 5 and nylocks Got it! Got the cylinder, hoses and couplings today. still need a restrictor. Getting there. [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-23-2012 08:02:10 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-23-2012 07:58:14   Here's a pic of the front bottom. :( This post was edited by allen in texas at 08:05:22 12/23/12 3 times. [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-23-2012 05:19:05 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to RGMartin, 12-22-2012 16:51:38   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I have two other threads here about the plow. It is a 6241 not a 6341. Yes I can lift it easily. Thanks for the heads up about the restrictors. I have them on my Ford. It rolled WAY too fast. [Reply]  [No Email]
J. Schwiebert 12-24-2012 17:27:17 209.143.33.150 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-23-2012 05:19:05   I said 6341 and you corrected me. My mistake. I used to have one as well. [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-22-2012 16:55:57 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to MoMike, 12-22-2012 16:51:38   All I need now is a 3x8 cylinder. I was going to get it today but I forgot. I was doing stuff I needed to do instead of stuff I wanted to do. PS, you just won't believe how many things on a plow mash smash or bring blood. :roll: I sure could have used some help. this stuff is heavy. This post was edited by allen in texas at 16:58:02 12/22/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
J. Schwiebert 12-22-2012 17:47:59 209.143.33.150 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-22-2012 16:55:57   Looks live a 6341 plow. We sold several of those here in flat Northwest Ohio. FYI for you. When you get your cylinder you may want to add restrictors to each port. Oliver recommended this to control the speed of the roll over. Can you lift the plow? [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-22-2012 16:54:31 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to David Snipes, 12-22-2012 16:51:38   after it's bolted up [Reply]  [No Email]
J. Schwiebert 12-24-2012 02:10:21 209.143.33.150 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to allen in texas, 12-22-2012 16:54:31   Coulters to be added later? [Reply]  [No Email]
allen in texas 12-24-2012 06:57:46 216.167.180.168 Report to Moderator	Re: More pictures of the oliver rollover after adjustments in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-24-2012 02:10:21   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I went to tremendous effort to add all of the coulters to the Ford. Don't really need them here. Not a lot of trash to cut through. Not sure I'll add the coulters to this plow. If I happen to run across some, I may use them. I had to build a couple of things on the Ford because they were no longer available. I'll post a few pics later of those thing. [Reply]  [No Email]