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Old John Deere Model 17 Combine

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Scott Kuyper

03-28-2008 16:25:26




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Does anyone out there know anything about the model 17 John Deere Combine? We just bought some acreage that borders us on this north central MT ranch and it included an old farmstead. On the property is an old model 17 pull type combine with a 6 cyl flathead gas engine that pulled the separater via flatbelt. The operator sat in a station above the machine.. out in the open and controlled cutter/grain table height etc. It looks like it was probably still running when they parked it and it's almost complete. The tires are pretty well rotted out. All I can find on this machine is that production ended in 1948. I can find no other information other than they were popular because the tractors of the day had the size to pull combines, but not the power to pull the tractor and the combine separator. Any info would be helpful. There is also a JD model D tractor on rubber in the barnyard. Based on a news paper I found in the house, the place was pretty much abandoned 1969.

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youvehadyoursix

04-30-2008 19:45:09




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-28-2008 16:25:26  
Scott,

I am VERY interested in purchasing this combine. I collect combines like this to preserve and restore. How can I contact the rightful owner?? Thanks!



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Scott Kuyper

03-29-2008 07:49:57




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-28-2008 16:25:26  
Wow, I didnt think I'd get any replies this quickly. As to keeping the old green iron, I dont own it. The ranch does,I'm the ranch mechanic and farm operator. I'd maybe try to buy it and either fix it up myself or maybe just try to market it to someone who will fix it up, as I probably dont really have the time. The biggest trick would be getting it out of where it is. This old ranch homestead is literally in the middle of nowhere, several miles from any real road and it's near 20 miles of driving through coolies to get there from this side of the ranch. Does anyone have any guesses at what something like that old combine would be worth? It's not in pristine condition by any stretch with rusty pulleys etc... the sheet metal looks fairly decent. Thing had strange tires on the back..smooth tires no tread at all, kind of a balloon type. Wonder if that had something to do with rubber shortages during WW2? I cant imagine it would be a treat for the operator.. sitting above and behind that 6 cyl that the exhaust exits right close to the operators station. The header height is controlled by a "steering wheel" that raises and lowers a rod with holes in it that engage in a cog on the "steering" shaft. If I get over to that side of the ranch again soon, I'll take some pictures if anyone is interested in seeing it. Does anyone have any photos of one of these machines?

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71ford100

03-29-2008 12:01:22




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-29-2008 07:49:57  
I think that it would be neat to fix up the D and the combine and keep them together since they have probably been with eachother since new.



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55 50 Ron

03-29-2008 10:53:09




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-29-2008 07:49:57  
Wish I lived close by!!! I"m very familiar with the No. 17 and the No. 5A combines. 5A was same style as the 17, except it was slightly smaller. Dad owned a 5A and an uncle owned a 17. That was north central ND. The tires you mention are most likely airplane tires. Our 5A had airplane tires installed by a previous owner when it was switched from steel wheels to rubber. The airplane tires made for a VERY smooth, easy ride for the combine. I suspect those tire types were surplus AFTER WW Two. I rode our 5A a lot and it wasn"t bad (dirty wise) except on a real windy day going with the wind. The engine exhaust outlet was several feet above the operator and that sweet sound of the 6 cylinder Hercules was music to my ears when it was working hard!! (it would be a real thrill to hear that sound again) We even had ours rigged to control the tractor from the combine so it only required one operator, but you were busy.

You mentioned that the tractors of the day didn"t have enough power to run the combine AND pull it over the field, therefore they installed engines on the combines. I respectfully disagree. The tractors did have enough power but they didn"t have live PTO back then and since crops varied in yield from place to place in the fields, it was necessary to change ground speed to match (which today"s modern combines do with hydrostatic drive) and without live PTO, changing ground speed in small increments was impossible since the combine needs to run at full speed all the time.

I have a subscription to the TWO-CYLINDER magazine and they did a quite thorough article on older JD combines a few issues back and it had pictures of the 17 included. You mentioned "sitting" for the operator. There were no seats on those I was familiar with. The operator stood and standing was necessary to properly control the wheel that raised and lowered the platform. Also it was easier to see the platform.

I"ve rambled a bit. Would be very interesteing to visit in person and see that machine. There were many of them around on the great plains and into the Canadian prairie provinces.

Hard to put a value on it. I would guess a few hundred dollars at most as they are a beast to load, haul and store for any one wanting to own and preserve them. My hat"s off to those who are preserving any old combines.

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Bradley K

03-29-2008 05:43:51




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-28-2008 16:25:26  
These had Hercules engines, according to the JD info the 1932-1935 models had a 4 cylinder Hercules with 35 HP; and the 1936-1948 models had 6 cylinders, with 40 HP.

Sounds like an interesting find. There may be some interest in it from collectors or such. Glad to see it hasn't been scrapped. I'd be interested in something like this myself, as I'm sure a certain amount of people would.



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1206SWMO

03-28-2008 19:41:38




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-28-2008 16:25:26  
The #17 JD was built from 1932-1948,had a 30" cylinder,and had a 12 or 16 ft header.

Are you going to keep it?



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noncompos

03-28-2008 18:35:41




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 Re: Old John Deere Model 17 Combine in reply to Scott Kuyper, 03-28-2008 16:25:26  
Can't tell you much, and can't guarantee any is correct, but FWIW a couple old parts catalogs say the #17 came with a Herc JXC 6cyl, 282ci, which appears to be a fairly popular engine of the time, shown in several truck models, altho I've been advised there are usually differences, sometimes considerable, between truck and combine installations...
One catalog shows the #17 1937 to 47.



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