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Donnie C 10-26-2009 06:52:04 165.206.33.15 455452 Report to Moderator	Have an industrial loader on the 861 tractor I just bought and I'm trying to figure out what loader it is. It has a Ford serial plate on it that says Component # I 9336 Serial #I 222. I'm trying to figure out what level to keep the hydraulic fluid at. The res is in the left loader arm. There is a drain and a fill plug but have not found a level plug and there is no dipstick. Any ideas??? Thanks, Don [Reply]   [No Email]
Shetland Sheepdog 10-27-2009 05:35:14 72.64.10.173 455532 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to JK-Mi, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   NWMO 901 SOS said: (quoted from post at 23:31:38 10/26/09) [quote:1aac6d0ce0]I disagree with the statement that the level stays constant! When a cylinder is fully extended the oil volume is that of the whole cylinder, BUT when the cylinder is fully retracted the oil volume is that of the cylinder MINUS the displacement of the piston/ram INSIDE the cylinder. I will concede that there is not a great deal of difference, but there is some! As to which position to have the cylinders in when checking the oil level, THAT I don't know! HTH, Dave[/quote:1aac6d0ce0] Good evening, The way I picture it, Shetland is nearer on target. I believe the volume displacement from the piston itself will be the same extended or retracted, however in the retracted position you are using less oil as the ram displaces a fair chunk inside the cylinder as pressure is applied on only the outer portion of the piston, the "area" between the ram and the cylinder wall. Typically, you will want to check your oil level with cylinders extended, but it may be different with the reservoir built into the frame. Chris As I indicated earlier, I'm not sure, but it would seem that if you filled to the suggested level of 8+/- inches down in the tower/reservoir, with the cylinders extended, that 8 inches would accomodate the additional oil that the pistons displace when retracted. Just my thoughts! HTH, Dave   [Reply]   [No Email]
NWMO 901 SOS 10-26-2009 20:31:38 216.139.112.244 455522 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Donnie C, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   [quote:3d1e94fa48]I disagree with the statement that the level stays constant! When a cylinder is fully extended the oil volume is that of the whole cylinder, BUT when the cylinder is fully retracted the oil volume is that of the cylinder MINUS the displacement of the piston/ram INSIDE the cylinder. I will concede that there is not a great deal of difference, but there is some! As to which position to have the cylinders in when checking the oil level, THAT I don't know! HTH, Dave[/quote:3d1e94fa48] Good evening, The way I picture it, Shetland is nearer on target. I believe the volume displacement from the piston itself will be the same extended or retracted, however in the retracted position you are using less oil as the ram displaces a fair chunk inside the cylinder as pressure is applied on only the outer portion of the piston, the "area" between the ram and the cylinder wall. Typically, you will want to check your oil level with cylinders extended, but it may be different with the reservoir built into the frame. Chris   [Reply]   [No Email]
Shetland Sheepdog 10-26-2009 18:19:44 72.64.10.173 455513 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Jim.UT, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   Sean in PA said: (quoted from post at 18:38:51 10/26/09) Looking at the pictures, they should be double acting cylinders, so the fluid level in the reservoir should remain constant, no matter what position the loader is in. When a double acting cylinder gets fluid pumped into it on one side, the ram moves toward the other end and displaces just as much fluid from the far end as was pumped in on the near end. If you are changing the fluid, or filling it for the first time after mounting it to the tractor, fill it to the recommended level and work all of the cylinders from one end to the other a few times and then check the fluid level in the reservoir again. I disagree with the statement that the level stays constant! When a cylinder is fully extended the oil volume is that of the whole cylinder, BUT when the cylinder is fully retracted the oil volume is that of the cylinder MINUS the displacement of the piston/ram INSIDE the cylinder. I will concede that there is not a great deal of difference, but there is some! As to which position to have the cylinders in when checking the oil level, THAT I don't know! HTH, Dave   [Reply]   [No Email]
mckenzi 10-26-2009 17:26:28 69.176.232.115 455509 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Donnie C, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   I have same loader the level mark is on the left ,loader arm res, look for that mark about 10 inches down the loader res.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Donnie C 10-27-2009 06:27:23 165.206.33.15 455538 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to mckenzi, 10-26-2009 17:26:28   Thanks   [Reply]   [No Email]
Rick from NC 10-26-2009 13:40:32 24.177.226.80 455490 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Donnie C, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   19-336 corresponds to a model 725 loader which was made 1/59 thru 12/74. I didn't see a manual available on this site but there were some available on ebay.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Donnie C 10-27-2009 06:26:19 165.206.33.15 455537 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Rick from NC, 10-26-2009 13:40:32   Thanks Rick...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Donnie C 10-27-2009 06:26:13 165.206.33.15 455536 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Rick from NC, 10-26-2009 13:40:32   Thanks Rick...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Scott HouTex 10-26-2009 08:35:29 70.253.63.150 455463 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Donnie C, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   The first number is a one not an I, such as 19-xxx. I did not see a 19-336 on the NH parts site, you might check the numbers again then look at the NH parts site. Scott New Holland parts search   [Reply]   [Send Email]
dogobat 10-26-2009 07:12:37 204.195.8.206 455454 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Donnie C, 10-26-2009 06:52:04   the book calls for either 6 or 8" below the top of the tank   [Reply]   [No Email]
Donnie C 10-26-2009 13:39:20 165.206.33.15 455489 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to dogobat, 10-26-2009 07:12:37   Thanks for the response...would that be with cylinders fully extended or contracted?   [Reply]   [No Email]
Sean in PA 10-26-2009 15:38:51 71.224.102.32 455504 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Donnie C, 10-26-2009 13:39:20   Looking at the pictures, they should be double acting cylinders, so the fluid level in the reservoir should remain constant, no matter what position the loader is in. When a double acting cylinder gets fluid pumped into it on one side, the ram moves toward the other end and displaces just as much fluid from the far end as was pumped in on the near end. If you are changing the fluid, or filling it for the first time after mounting it to the tractor, fill it to the recommended level and work all of the cylinders from one end to the other a few times and then check the fluid level in the reservoir again.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Donnie C 10-27-2009 06:30:39 165.206.33.15 455539 Report to Moderator	Re: Ford Loader ID??? in reply to Sean in PA, 10-26-2009 15:38:51   thanks guys   [Reply]   [No Email]