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Web Dawg 10-23-2009 19:11:10 74.33.13.240 455269 Report to Moderator	Was the 800 Series a popular model. I don't see much talk about them here. My 800 Series [Reply]   [Send Email]
petra79 10-25-2009 05:15:35 76.197.162.171 455357 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   Hi Tony, Much appreciated. I have recognized a couple of them, but most I had not. Thanx for taking time to help me learn more. Have a great day.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Lumpy 10-24-2009 18:20:44 208.126.148.234 455337 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   Web Dawg, I think it looks O.K. the color it is. You made the comment on a response about it being "original". Well you better start looking for different rear rims because your's are not correct for the 800's. The rims you have are off a 8n or Jubilee. I'm betting that if they are in good shape, someone might be willing to trade you for some 800 correct, 6-loop style rims.   [Reply]   [No Email]
TedIL 10-24-2009 09:18:56 71.114.168.165 455316 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   I've got that serial number beat. My 860 is S/N 6181.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
petra79 10-24-2009 05:55:25 76.197.162.171 455308 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   [quote="old"](quoted from post at 23:40:30 10/23/09) A lot of times the 800 and the 801 series get lumped into one and a good number of people do not even know which is which. But for the most part they are so close that people do not see the difference in them unless they know what to look for[/quote] What were some of the differences besides the grill. I have the 861. Thanx   [Reply]   [No Email]
TONY JACOBS 10-24-2009 20:58:39 205.188.117.74 455347 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to petra79, 10-24-2009 05:55:25   Hello Petra79 , Just to name a few differences for you besides the grille - 801 smooth hood sides, 800 raised Ford script sides, 801 rear fenders are flat and Ford scripted, 800 are wide and cover over the tire and are Ford scripted, 801 17 gallon gas tank with gas gauge, 800 12 gallon tank no gauge, 800 has amp gauge 801 does not, 800 hood is all gray, 801 is red and gray, 800 has chromed metal 800 emblem, 801 has chromed plastic wheat stalk emblem, early 800 have very small decals late 800 have large decals, all 801's have large decals, 800 small exhaust, small air cleaner, small carb and sediment bowl, 801 has larger exhaust, larger air cleaner, larger carb. and sedimant bowl, and after 1960 larger fuel line and shut off valve, 800 has power steering on 1957 only, 801 has power steering 1957-1962, 800 has brake shaft through the transmission case, 801 has it through the rear axle housing, 800 has only 28 inch wheels and tires, 801 has both 24 inch and 28 inch, 800 does not have Select-O-Speed transmission, 801 does in 1959-1962, 800 does not have Diesel engine, 801 does in 1958-1962, 800 are all 6 volt, 801 gas are 6 volt, diesel are 12 volt, 800 has light duty Industrial version, 801 has both a light duty Industrial version and the 1801 heavy duty version, 800 does not have the heavy duty front axle option, 801 does in 1958-1962, 801's also get heavy duty rear axles and heavier duty rear axle castings after 1961, I think that about covers it . Thank Tony Jacobs   [Reply]   [Send Email]
john in la 10-25-2009 08:38:02 67.35.237.249 455369 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to TONY JACOBS, 10-24-2009 20:58:39   800 has light duty Industrial version, 801 has both a light duty Industrial version and the 1801 heavy duty version, 800 does not have the heavy duty front axle option, 801 does in 1958-1962 I did not know there was a 800 and 801 light duty industrial version. I thought the first light duty industrial version was the 2000/4000 and all of them came with a solid front axle. Can you explain this time line better.   [Reply]   [No Email]
TONY JACOBS 10-25-2009 21:47:27 64.12.116.9 455440 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to john in la, 10-25-2009 08:38:02   Hello John in LA, Before the availablity of the 2000/4000 series Light Duty Industrials in Dec. 1960 the 820's and the 821's were generally quoted in the Ford literautre as the light industrials . In the 100 series most 820's were 5 speed tractors but some were 4 speed, all had no 3 point and most had no pto unless it had a Backhoe with a pto driven pump like a Sherman , Pippin or similar brand . These did not have the Heavy Duty axle support(only first design standard support available), center beam or spindles or even the heavier front wheels . A 10 inch heavy duty clutch could be ordered seperately . When the 01 series came out in 57 it was the same as the 100 series but in 1958 Ford came out with the Heavy Duty Front Axle option which was the new heavy duty axle support(second design of support), heavy duty axle center beam, and the heavy duty spindles with the larger diameter lower bushing and bearing where they break most often, the 10 inch heavy duty clutch was also included in this package as was the wider front wheels . In 1959 the 811 tractors(with or without pto) with an S.O.S. were added to the lineup . This option was still available after the 2000/4000 tractors(fixed width axle with the heaviest and 3rd design support built, and very few 811's or 821's were built after the 2000/4000 Industrials) came out and continued until 1965. In July of 1964 this option was $58.00(with 6.50x16 multi rib tires) more on a 2000 All Purpose and $79.00(with 7.50x16 multi rib tires) more on a 4000 All Purpose tractor. A Sherman Combo ordered at the same time was $196.00, Power Steering was $159.00, Lights were $29.00, and a Swinging Drawbar was $22.00. A 4000 A.P. gas 4 speed tractor was $2,864.00 and a 4000 A.P. gas S.O.S. was $3,303.00. Thanks Tony   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Web Dawg 10-24-2009 03:14:51 74.33.13.240 455301 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   Thanks everyone. I bought the red paint a week after I got the tractor and didn't know the fenders were wrong, but trust me I will fix that...........gotta be original ya know. LOL The picture below is what I did with my AC. My AC Tractor   [Reply]   [Send Email]
richardp3 10-24-2009 05:01:58 173.74.164.77 455305 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-24-2009 03:14:51   If it's a 1954/5 then somebody has changed the running boards. From what I've read on this forum 1955's were the only year that had flat running boards. I've got two 1955's, both have flat running boards.   [Reply]   [No Email]
awhtx 10-24-2009 02:28:23 12.187.235.2 455300 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   If the serial number is in fact <>7051<> it is the earliest Hundred series I have seen with a 660 around <>11100<> being the next lowest I have seen and it was built in 1954 but sold as a 1955 model.   [Reply]   [No Email]
BDT in Minnesota 10-24-2009 01:36:47 64.235.82.36 455298 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   OK, your 860 originally was red and grey from the factory.... However, in the 60"S, when Ford was changing the color of the new models to blue and grey, there were service promotions in the dealerships to bring your older tractors in for service work and a fresh paint job so they would "Look and Run like a New One".... In other words, some of those older tractors rolled out of the dealership shops with a fresh Ford promoted "genuine Ford Blue" paint job.. It is nice to see people take pride in their tractors, it appears that your tractor had such an owner--- that is a nice tractor!!! Good for many years of satisfaction and enjoyment in whatever color you may choose...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Jim.UT 10-23-2009 21:22:48 70.56.108.22 455293 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   Don't let 'em get you down about the color. It's a nice looking tractor. I may have a spare pair of the correct fenders if you're interested in getting rid of those 8N units you have on there. I scored a deal on a really nice pair of fenders and I'm going to put them on my 1955 850. My old ones are a bit beat, but still useable and probably restorable. As for your serial number, are you sure there's not an 8 hiding in front of the 7? It looks like it in the photo, but maybe I'm seeing things.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
old 10-23-2009 21:12:39 4.245.6.195 455291 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   I had not looked at the pictures of your tractor till now. 2 things I do not agree with is the color but that is up to you and the year. Ya some where in fact made in 1954 but NONE where ever called a 1954 tractor sort of like right now you can buy a 2010 car right now in 2009 but they are called a 2010 and titled as that also. First year of the 800 series was 1955   [Reply]   [Send Email]
TONY JACOBS 10-25-2009 08:36:46 205.188.117.74 455368 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to old, 10-23-2009 21:12:39   Hey Old, As for this bit of misinformation the only thing you have correct is the selling of new cars today (2010 models available in 2009). After World War 2 and up until the 1990's car maker's never sold cars earlier than the model year that they were building at the time . The main reason being production tooling and time to change over to the new model year . If you look back at the cars of any brand name every single year is almost a complete change over there was no or very little automation in car plants back then . For instance I will use Chevrolet in 1957 , 1958 and 1959 other than engine transmission and rear axle those years were completely redesigned different cars just as Ford and Dodge did . These cars were all built out of steel, iron, and aluminum not plastic like todays cars . It is very easy to change a bunch of plastic trim and interior parts mid year and bring out a 2010 in 2009 when the rest of the car is the same as it was in 2009 . You are old enough to remember the hype every year when the new cars were in the showrooms across the country in the Fall of the year . Dealers would paper up the windows so you could not see the cars or cover the cars up with sheets to wait for the big unveiling of the new cars at a certain date every year . I remember and I am not even 50 yet I used to go with my Dad every year to look at new cars it was a very, very big deal not like today . I can only remember three times that did follow through the same pattern year after year . In 1963 Ford brought out the 1963 1/2 Galaxie not a 1964 but 1963 1/2, Ford did it again in 1964 with the 1964 1/2 Mustang again not a 1965 but a 1964 1/2 , finally Chevy did it 1970 with the 1970 1/2 Camaro again not a 1971 but a 1970 1/2 . I do not remember Dodge ever doing it if they did . All of this began to change with the advent of the 5 mph Impact bumpers in 1973 and cars began to change less and less every year by the late 80's if you took the nameplates off a Fullsize Chevy, Pontiac, Buick, Olds, Ford or Mercury they all look like their counterparts square boxy and ugly . The seperate distingtion of cars and tractors was gone just like they are today they all look the same .   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Web Dawg 10-24-2009 16:50:58 74.33.13.240 455325 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to old, 10-23-2009 21:12:39   I was just going by the chart below on the year. Hundred Series tractor serial numbers - 1954 Serial number 1 - 10614 1955 Serial number 10615 - 77270 1956 Serial number 77271 - 116367 1957 Serial number 116368 - up   [Reply]   [Send Email]
old 10-24-2009 17:39:25 4.245.1.173 455332 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-24-2009 16:50:58   Very true but NONE where called a 1954 they all where called 1955 even if they where made in 54. Like the Jubilee which was the 1953 model tractor and it was called that because it was the 50th year tractor model for ford   [Reply]   [Send Email]
TONY JACOBS 10-25-2009 08:00:50 205.188.117.74 455364 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to old, 10-24-2009 17:39:25   Hey Old , Here you go again spewing incorrect information just like the geysers' at Yellowstone . 1953 was the Golden Jubilee / or 50th Anniversary for Ford Motor Company in business producing Cars and Trucks NOT TRACTORS they had only been producing tractors for 36 years at that point in time . The 50th Anniversary of TRACTOR PRODUCTION would be CELEBRATED IN 1967 . 1953 tractors are NAA's just the 1954 NAA'S . If you would bother to look at the SERIAL NUMBER of the 1953 and 1954 NAA's you would see that it BEGIN'S WITH NAA just like the 9N's began with 9N, the 2N's began with 2N, and the 8N's began with 8N . IT DOES NOT BEGIN WITH GOLDEN JUBILEE it was called Golden Jubilee just the 8N is called a RED BELLY but it is not it is still an 8N. The tractors that were built in 1954 are 1954 tractors wether you like it or not and were sold as such , just the same as the 1801 Ford Heavy Duty Industrial tractor came out in AUGUST OF 1958 , IT WAS SOLD AS A 1958 NOT A 1959 . When the Ford Heavy Duty Forklift came out in AUGUST OF 1960 , IT WAS SOLD AS A 1960 NOT A 1961 . This goes on and on in Ford tractor production wether you like it or not you are wrong and will continue to be wrong no matter how many times you say different .   [Reply]   [Send Email]
forddoc 10-23-2009 20:54:36 97.125.134.42 455290 Report to Moderator	hey ken-pa in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   you needin a rest o ride? I got some   [Reply]   [No Email]
Leroy Henson 10-24-2009 18:15:40 98.93.41.65 455336 Report to Moderator	Re: rest o ride seat in reply to forddoc, 10-23-2009 20:54:36   Read your posting. Can you e-mail and tell me about your seats and the price. Thanks   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Leroy Henson 10-24-2009 18:15:32 98.93.41.65 455335 Report to Moderator	Re: rest o ride seat in reply to forddoc, 10-23-2009 20:54:36   Read your posting. Can you e-mail and tell me about your seats and the price. Thanks   [Reply]   [Send Email]
WayneIA 10-24-2009 09:12:41 199.120.65.237 455315 Report to Moderator	Re: hey ken-pa in reply to forddoc, 10-23-2009 20:54:36   Your rest-o-ride seat parts interest me! Email is open   [Reply]   [Send Email]
Ken-Pa 10-23-2009 20:49:31 76.188.68.98 455286 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   Hey Web, nice tractor . Don"t care much for the blue but still nice .When they are painted the way they should be , they look sharp . If ya ever wanna part with that broken down rest o ride seat , please contact me . Njoy & be safe . God bless, Ken   [Reply]   [Send Email]
old 10-23-2009 21:14:24 4.245.6.195 455292 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Ken-Pa, 10-23-2009 20:49:31   I have one I took off my 841 not long ago. The rubbers are bad on it and I had a dead tractor come in that had a good one on it so I traded them off   [Reply]   [Send Email]
old 10-23-2009 20:40:30 4.245.6.195 455283 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   A lot of times the 800 and the 801 series get lumped into one and a good number of people do not even know which is which. But for the most part they are so close that people do not see the difference in them unless they know what to look for   [Reply]   [Send Email]
1fordguy 10-23-2009 20:12:12 71.11.236.47 455276 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   860 one of my favorites. Realy nice tractor, wrong color and wrong rear fenders.Would like to see pics after resto.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
richardp3 10-23-2009 19:45:10 173.74.164.77 455271 Report to Moderator	Re: 800 Series in reply to Web Dawg, 10-23-2009 19:11:10   Sure is a good tractor, why do you ask, are you selling? It looks like a 1956 or 57. If it is an 860 it has dual clutch and live pto. The good: Loader, power steering, and a 5 speed (as opposed to a 4 speed, or an SOS due to it's mysterious nature to most folks). Loader has a front pump, good for hydraulic speed and power. Good sheet metal and tires. Doesn't look like it has too many oil leaks, and appears to have been reasonably well cared for. The bad: Rest-O-Ride seat is in bad shape. Looks like the right mounting/spring flange is broken. Yours, like most Wagner loaders, came with single action cylinders so there's no down pressure... hard or impossible to dig. Also a single bucket tilt cylinder instead of two on some models. All in all a fine specimen. Plenty of utility left in your tractor, and definitely a keeper.   [Reply]   [No Email]