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gregarpp 04-21-2012 17:37:46 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	TO-35 with dual clutch 1955. When I bought it the PTO would never engage with the engine running - grinding gears. I always shut the tractor down to engage the PTO. Today I was backing up and I hit the clutch to stop and it wouldn't. I felt a pulsing/click in the clutch pedal like it was spinning over something. The clutch is now not working. I had to start the tractor in gear to get it in the barn. Any suggestions before I split the tractor and change the clutch? Anything I need to know to purchase a 1955 dual clutch? [Reply]   [No Email]
gregarpp 04-24-2012 01:18:29 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   What is the general method that people do to support the engine side of the tractor? This looks a bit more involved if I have to remove the oil pan. [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 04-26-2012 07:42:54 88.109.51.200 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-24-2012 01:18:29   It is more difficult if you do need to remove the oil pan and to support the Engine at the same time. You can support the Engine under the rear of the Engine Block possibly use two jacks or stands, one either side of the Engine and use a beam of some kind between them under the very back of the Engine Block.John(UK) [Reply]  [No Email]
gregarpp 04-22-2012 08:30:52 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   John, I got your documents, thanks. I was hoping I could purchase a complete clutch ready to install after I remove the old one. I really don't have the time to mess with something that I have never done before. Should I be looking at new OEM, new aftermarket, rebuilt or send mine out for rebuild? [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 04-26-2012 07:38:24 88.109.51.200 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-22-2012 08:30:52   No matter where you get the Clutch from you would need to check the settings before you rebuild the tractor. All tractors and Clutches vary slightly and you need to make sure that the Clutch in particular is set correctly, this is due to the small amount of movement necessary to operate the Clutch, if the settings are wrong to start with you will get premature failure. You can't buy a Live-Drive Clutch that you can just fit in position without any other attention or checking of the settings using new plates The Clutch comes with a new PTO plate fitted, but you MUST set the Clutch to the Flywheel using a NEW Primary Plate, you can then if you wish use a good used Primary plate BUT IT MUST BE SET using a NEW primary plate....John(UK)..fergusontractors@hotmail.com [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 04-22-2012 05:51:31 88.104.41.245 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   If it is the screw shown in the picture below your post, then that is on the main Drive for the wheels. It can be replaced but you need to check the state of the Clutch generally because if that has broken it must be due to wear and you will probably find the rest of the Clutch is worn as well. Wear on these bolts and on the levers can cause all kinds of problems for you, even if you set it correctly. If the Clutch Pedal is heavy to press, especially when trying to operate the PTO Clutch, then it is wear on the Clutch Levers and the Pressure Plate generally where the Levers hinge, and the only sure way of sorting out this problems is fitting a new Clutch assy complete. If the Clutch has been giving you problems for some time then you should consider replacing the whole unit as it will be more reliable. The new Clutch when you get it will need setting to the Flywheel don't assume that it will be ready to fit to the tractor. The PTO Clutch will also require setting. This can be adjusted through the bottom plate if necessary but it is easier when the Engine is out of the Tractor. The problems with these Clutches is that because you have two Clutches in one assy. there is very little movement and if you get wear it will affect everything and you may find that if you do a repair and the unit is worn, it will not operate as it should do. It depends on how much you use the tractor and how much you use the Clutch. Any grinding that takes place is wearing the ends of the teeth on the gears and eventually they will not slide past each other and go into mesh. Don't try to hurry changing gear, you will be asking for trouble, it is a tractor not a racing car. To replace the Gears is a much bigger job and you still need to sort out the Clutch as well.On these tractors with the Dual Clutch because of the little movement to free the plate, you need to slow the Engine right down each time that you change gear, the transmission is quite heavy on these tractors and it will carry on turning for a little time (Centrifugal Force) so wait until it stops) after you press the pedal and if you attempt to hurry changing gear you will get grinding. The pedal needs to be checked often and have the correct clearance under the Footrest, this should always be done when the tractor is HOT to get the adjustments right.There are two different Clutches fitted to these tractors, one has a "Fluted" pressure plate which acts a cooling fan and the earlier type that is most likely fitted to yours (according to your serial number) has a plain pressure plate and needs careful setting up because of the Flywheel depth which varied, some used spacers some didn't. To set any of these Clutches you need NEW plates to get the settings correct, as I said earlier, there is so little movement to separate these Clutches that the adjustment can only be set with NEW plates. Even if you are going to use the old Plates, your MUST set the Clutches using NEW Plates. This is the only way to get the adjustment correct and get a reasonably long life from the Clutch. If you need the information about changing your Clutch and setting it or repairing and setting your old unit, email me direct at the address below and I will send you the information that you need, say if it is Gas or Diesel as the procedure is a little different....John(UK)....fergusontractors@hotmail.com [Reply]  [No Email]
John(UK) 04-26-2012 07:26:13 88.109.51.200 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to John(UK), 04-22-2012 05:51:31   Yes OK, I have checked when I sent it to you.I didn't tie up your screen name with your proper name...John(UK) [Reply]  [No Email]
gregarpp 04-22-2012 07:26:47 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to John(UK), 04-22-2012 05:51:31   I sent you an email for some instructions. I am going to split the tractor. [Reply]  [No Email]
gregarpp 04-21-2012 20:56:59 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   Will I need to rotate the engine to see each of the bolts? Not sure I can see what has broken. [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Mc 04-22-2012 12:47:36 99.196.128.58 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 20:56:59   Yes, you will need to rotate the engine. Pull the plugs and use a long screw driver on the flywheel, or a remote starter switch to turn the engine over. There are only three bolts, it will be apparent which one is broken. A pair of long needle nose pliers will be very helpful in putting the new bolt, spring and nut back in place. Bob Mc [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Mc 04-21-2012 19:20:56 75.107.0.52 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   The picture you posted IS the bolt I was talking about, that's what your problem is. Like I said it can be changed through the inspection hole, but it might make you forget your Sunday School lesson! ;-) [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Mc 04-21-2012 19:12:52 75.104.96.36 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   I've had the very same problem on my '55 TO 35 with dual clutch three times. If you look up through the inspection hole under the clutch and you will see three "fingers" on the pressure plate which the throw out bearing contacts. Those fingers pivot on a special bolt that also adjusts the clutch clearance. One of those bolts has probably snapped. It can be changed through that inspection hole, it isn't easy, but it can be done. As I said, I've done it three times. I used a set of inside dividers to measure the distance from bottom, by the pivot point, of the finger to the pressure plate on one of the good fingers. That way I had some sort of reference to set the clearance when I replaced the bolt. You will need an offset common screw diver to adjust the bolt. There is a bolt, spring and a nut that go to the finger. Probably the spring and nut are still there. Your local Massey dealer can order the bolt plus the spring and nut if you need them. I would order three bolts, if I remember right they were about $7 each. You will probably end up replacing all three in the next several months depending how much you use the tractor. Since I replaced mine I haven't had any more problems, that was about two years ago. If you need any more help/information let me know and I'll try to help you any way I can. Good luck. Bob Mc [Reply]  [No Email]
gregarpp 04-21-2012 18:43:48 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   home.comcast.net/~gregarpp/images/clutch-screwA.jpg home.comcast.net/~gregarpp/images/clutch-screw.jpg [Reply]  [No Email]
Dan S (NY) 04-21-2012 19:09:33 75.131.76.244 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 18:43:48   The other one... [Reply]  [No Email]
Dan S (NY) 04-21-2012 19:08:10 75.131.76.244 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 18:43:48   Trying to post your picture... [Reply]  [No Email]
gregarpp 04-21-2012 18:37:31 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   Trying to insert image This post was edited by gregarpp at 18:41:03 04/21/12 5 times. [Reply]  [No Email]
gregarpp 04-21-2012 18:28:41 98.213.214.230 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   The first thing I did was check the clutch pedal. It did not slip. When I press the clutch down I feel a pulsating clunk/click with the engine running. I removed the bottom inspection plate and a screw head fell out. [Reply]  [No Email]
samn40 04-21-2012 18:06:44 86.153.34.137 Report to Moderator	Re: TO-35 1955 clutch stopped working (all of a sudden) in reply to gregarpp, 04-21-2012 17:37:46   This could be as simple as the pedal rotating on the shaft and only needing adjustment. Or it could be broken fingers inside or even the set screw in the clutch fork may have snapped, or the plate may have disintegrated! or,or,or.....Check the setting on the clutch pedal first, by slackening off the clamp then with a suitable bar through the hole in the end of the shaft rotate the shaft clockwise until a resistance is felt, hold the pedal up to about 1/16th from the footrest/stop and tighten the clamp. Let us know what you find....Sam [Reply]  [No Email]