Long 460 Clutch not disengaging

Triliji · Feb 23, 2015

Hi To Everyone
New to this forum and appreciate the opportunity to join.
I aplologize for my first post being a problem but with that said...

I own a 1987 Long 460 tractor. I have a clutch problem that has me stumped.
With the engine off and the gears engaged I step on the clutch and start the engine..so far so good... However.. When i release the clutch and then depress the clutch again the clutch will not disengage.

I have never experienced this type of problem and am hoping someone here can help me.

Thank you for any help you can give

Cory Schmidt · Feb 23, 2015

Welcome to the board. No need to apologize for first post being a problem, That's the point of the forums: to help and discuss.

I would guess clutch is gone or badly out of adjustment. Had that problem with a JD 2440. We got done baling put it in the shed, went to feed a round bale(same day), didn't disengage. We limped it into shop(jamming gears and a push/pull)and split it. Replaced the clutch plate and another thing or two(don't recall what) No problem since.

Triliji · Feb 23, 2015

Thanks Cory
Yeah I kinda had a feeling it would need to be split
How difficult a job is that?
Seems straight forward but this would be a first for me
Luckily I have a complete shop

rustyfarmall · Feb 23, 2015

I know next to nothing about the particulars of the Long brand, but a tractor is basically a tractor, and a clutch is a clutch. Fiirst thing to do is make sure the clutch is properly adjusted, with the correct amount of free travel.

Another thing to consider is that sometimes, it takes awhile for the transmission gears to stop spinning after depressing the clutch pedal, and you're not going to get the trans into gear until it does stop spinning.

If none of this applies, then you have no choice but to split it.

mkirsch · Feb 23, 2015

Keep in mind when splitting a tractor that you will be dealing with large, heavy, unstable pieces of metal that will easily crush you. You need lots of good WOOD cribbing, 6x6's, 4x4's, 2x6's. You also need a splitting stand, something to support the front half of the tractor and allow you to roll it away from the rear end to access the clutch.

Understand that you're new to the forums, so this is just advice not criticism: You posted to the Farmall/International Harvester forum, which is for Farmall an International Harvester brand tractors. Unfortunately there is no forum specific to the Long brand, though even if there were it probably wouldn't see much traffic due to Long being a smaller lesser-known brand. A more appropriate forum might be "Tractor Talk" where there is a wider array of knowledge. You would stand a much better chance of finding someone with specific Long knowledge in a non-brand-specific forum.

Just a piece of advice: Pay attention to where you post and use your best judgement as to where your post would be best suited and on-topic.

cool hand · Feb 23, 2015

I've split tractors numerous times. It's not terribly difficult once you know what you're doing. Just guard against ALL possibilities for falling of unstable parts. It can be dangerous. It'd be good to have an experienced person with you when you separate it and rejoin it.

Cory Schmidt · Feb 23, 2015

If like most tractors 5 basic steps.
1.Securely block up rear end
2. Remove anything that crosses over point of split(and any thing that gets in way to do that)
Other than main bolts at split point

3. Block or chain front to something that can move the front/engine away from rear(hoist, stand, pallet jack, loader on another tractor)
4. Remove bolts holding together and CAREFULLY pull apart.
5 block front to stabilize when working on

Owen Aaland · Feb 23, 2015

A small bit of oil on the clutch dick can cause the disk to stick to either the flywheel or pressure plate enough the keep the transmission gears spinning.

FBH44 · Feb 24, 2015

No concrete blocks, ever. Seems like they would work, but they are fragile and fail in a catastrophe.

Old weldor · Feb 24, 2015

I think he's talking about a Farmall 460 row crop not a 460
utility. I don't think he means a Long brand tractor!

Jim Becker · Feb 24, 2015

(quoted from post at 09:08:21 02/24/15) I think he's talking about a Farmall 460 row crop not a 460
utility. I don't think he means a Long brand tractor!

1987 -- the Long 460 was in production that year. I'm afraid he is dealing with a tractor built by(for) Long.

vapet · Feb 24, 2015

Had a 445 Long that clutch would not release as it should. Fixed that one by adjusting the pressure plate, access through cover on clutch housing. Service manual comes in handy for this. Have any free play on pedal? Take cover off and look in and see what is going on.

MARK ROBKE · Feb 24, 2015

No matter what brand it is,you need about 1" free play in your pedal as a general rule.Too much free play will not allow the clutch to disengage completely(and none will cause it to slip).And you may need to wait a moment to put it in gear-for them to stop rotating.If you start it in gear with the pedal depressed,does the tractor try to move? If it does and the free play is correct,you probably do need a new clutch. Mark

charlieu · Feb 25, 2015

I check the Hy-Capacity web site and they offer clutches for the Long 460 tractor. There are two different sizes of clutches used in the 460 over time. They list a 10" and a 11" clutch. The 10" also was made with a Flat back cover and a Step back cover. There also was a note under the release bearing to positively identify before ordering parts. I also see that this tractor uses a two stage clutch. Stepping down on the clutch pedal part way stops forward motion of the tractor and all the way down stops the PTO. Good luck, keep us posted.

thecarpenter · Mar 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 13:18:19 02/23/15) Hi To Everyone
New to this forum and appreciate the opportunity to join.
I aplologize for my first post being a problem but with that said...

I own a 1987 Long 460 tractor. I have a clutch problem that has me stumped.
With the engine off and the gears engaged I step on the clutch and start the engine..so far so good... However.. When i release the clutch and then depress the clutch again the clutch will not disengage.

I have never experienced this type of problem and am hoping someone here can help me.

Thank you for any help you can give

Just wondering how you are coming in your clutch repair. I have the same tractor with same problem and have never split a tractor before. Where did you get your parts from. How to know if you need a 10" or 11" so I can order ahead of time . Would be interested in corresponding with you further. THanks
Greg

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