Farmall C VS 2 x 14 Plow

Bryce Frazier · Apr 7, 2014

Hi all it's Bryce. I have been discussing the possibility of pulling a 2 x 14 plow at our local plow day, and some of the guys that have answered have mixed emotions about it!

I would like some cold, hard, facts, will it do it or not?

Here is what I know:

Soil: 80% dry, mostly sandy loam, hay field, has been plowed in a few years...

Tractor:

22 Horse on the Draw Bar (has the Super C engine)

NO fluid in tires

2x Weights on each rear tire

Wide front (not sure if that matters???)

HAS tried to pull a broken 2 x 14 plow before, and it really gave it a LOT of troubles, but it did do it for a pass or two.

Plows:

I have one of two options, make the depth control rod for my C-294 Belly Mount plow and hook it up.

Pull and Case Centennial 2 x 14 plow, on rubber.

I have been trying to get the part made for a couple of months after I realized that I was missing it, but I still don't have any actual dimensions as to what it SHOULD be....

What do you guys think??? Can I do it? Bryce

Janicholson · Apr 7, 2014

In sandy loam with the plow shiny, it will pull it. The tractor likes 2-12, but in light soil it should do OK. If the soil is sod, even light sod, it will not do well. Several people have got mounted plows for Cs on the forum. I hope they can help. Jim

steelfronts · Apr 7, 2014

Bryce It will do it in sandy loam. The mounted plow will work much better than the trailer plow. The trailer plow will take a little more power and it must be set up close to perfect. You will want a little more weight with the trailer plow also.

Rex Simpkins · Apr 7, 2014

Make sure the wear parts are in decent shape on your mounted plow shine them up good and you will have no problem at all in sandy loam

Bryce Frazier · Apr 7, 2014

I figured that it would handle that much plow, but I am concerned about the mounted vs trailed...

Like I said, I am going to try to wing it on the measurement, just push the hydro all the way forward, then set the plow to the shallowest setting, and take a measurement, should work!! My biggest concern is having it done in-time, because as of right now, the guy already has a few things of mine that he hasn't completed yet...

At last years plow day, I had my 2 x 14 JD plow there, I THINK it is a No.52? My Ferguson TO-30 pulled it just fine in 1st when everyone else told me it wouldn't, and my JD 40T pulled it like a dream, so IF those two pulled it, this would be in better soil, and also drier, I would think that the C would handle the trailed plow? Bryce

Here is a link to my plow, it is the 2 bottom one in the middle with the steel wheels, 2 x 14 inch
Plow

teddy52food · Apr 7, 2014

Just don't try to plow too deep. Big difference in power to plow at 8 inches or 5 inches deep, but when the soil is turned, you can't tell the difference.

Fudd · Apr 7, 2014

I just have to tell you this story. Many years ago, probably 50, my Dad was plowing 3 year old alfalfa sod one spring in good old Iowa black dirt. The neighbor across the road had a nearly new Super C and drove it over to see what it would do. My Dad was using our AC WC and a 2-14 plow. The neighbor hooked up to the plow and just sat there and spun the wheels. We used to help each other bale hay and that Super C was great for hauling in loads of hay. I liked to drive it.

Mike Fitz · Apr 7, 2014

Bryce if it were me, if the Case plow is in decent shape, I would use it. They are a good pulling plow, we took my 2X14 case plow and my friends F12 out in dry August stubble, it made the 12 work,but we got along fine. Mike

Bryce Frazier · Apr 7, 2014

I have two Case Plow to choose from:

One is the Cenntenial Plow, it is a 2 x 14 trailed plow, on three rubber tires, also restored.

The other is also a 2 x 14 Case Plow, I think it is a B series Grand Detour plow, someone has welded extension on the cutting shares themselves, but other than that they look good! It actually looks identical to my JD 52, which I posted a link to earlier in this post, thats actually why I wanted the plow so badly was because of how well my JD one worked, I thought that this was another on, but when I got it home mom pointed out that it had CASE stamped in the beams...

Both plows have nice moldboards, both have nice working coulters, I am GOING to shine the moldboards up on both of them, currently they are just cheaply painted with a rattle can.

The Cenntineal plow doesn't have the best of shares on it, but I think that it will go right into the ground! Here is a picture of it in its current state, tires/tubes are on their way, and tomorrow I am going to try to paint the hubs and rims yellow, then we will be in the clear!

Which Plow do you think would work better? I am planning on taking both, so I can try either, the JD 52 is going to be there as well, soooo, I will actually have three to choose from! Bryce

fixerupper · Apr 7, 2014

The negative is it's a hay field. Hay fields plow tough, especially alfalfa with those roots. The positive is it's spring plowing and we had a hard, hard freeze last winter so it might be fairly loose soil. Wish I could be there to watch you. Jim

Bryce Frazier · Apr 7, 2014

Ahhh, no worries, mom is the official Photographer, and let me tell ya what, she is a damn good one too! This is one of my favorite all time pictures of me, this was at our spring plow event this past year!

This is my 1954 Ferguson TO-30 and John Deere No. 52 trip plow, as I have mentioned about it throughout this post. Pulled it like it wasn't even there. No traction/power problems.

With my C and Super C, I am really only concerned about traction. They have 24 horses under the hood, and my lord you can feel every one of them when they are working! I think that I am going to be fighting the odds with my C just because it only has wheel weights, but I think my Super C is going to get the job done with a set of wheel weights and the rear tires being filled up, that HAS to add at least 400 lb's to each tire.... Thats more than a farm wife...

Bryce

Mike Fitz · Apr 7, 2014

Bryce Unless they look different, the centennial and model B are the same plow. Put the best shares on the best plow, they are important to the plow working well. A week or two ago I posted a pamphlet on proper tractor and plow adjustment in the tractor talk part of the forum, it has much good information for you, proper set up is more important than horsepower. Mike

Mike Fitz · Apr 7, 2014

I believe I posted it on 3/18/2014, in tractor talk. Mike

Bryce Frazier · Apr 7, 2014

The only big difference I see between them is that the B seires plow has the fixed tail wheel, and uses the draw bar of the tractor to hold the plow up when tripped

The Centinneal Plow has a free moving tail wheel, 3.50 x 12 tire, and the adjustable toung on it is free moving, so you DON'T have to have a fixed drawbar on the tractor, if that makes since!

The Centinneal plow's shares are worn, but they still appear to have good ish points, as you can see in the picture I posted.

The B Series plow has been added on to, but they did an O K job, and everyone in my club thinks that it will go right into the ground....

I am just going to take all three plows, and start with the C I will try it with a plow, and if it pulls it, great, and if not then I will send another tractor with it and hook a different plow to the C, and then again if I have to!

I can get pictures of the added onto shares tomorrow if you guys would like?? Bryce

gene bender · Apr 7, 2014

The 2-14 was made for tat tractor of course it will pull it provided you have things set correct just follow the instructions in the owners manual where to set rear wheel ect.

mkirsch · Apr 8, 2014

Oh come on guys, a C should be able to pull AT LEAST 3-16's a foot deep in heavy clay in 3th gear!

Seriously, where are all the fish stories? This is a, "How much plow will tractor X pull?" thread isn't it?

Mike Fitz · Apr 8, 2014

Bryce, I think what you have is a model B and a model BL plow. I cant tell if your shares are sharp or not from the pict. A close up from the other side would help. Mike

Bryce Frazier · Apr 8, 2014

Here is a picture of what my Centennial Plow is GOING to look like...

And then here is a picture of what the other plow I have looks like, it is the bottom one, and I now see in the upper right corner it say BL, and BLH. I assume H stands for Hydro lift? Mine has steel wheels, and a tripper to lift it. I still have to come up with the rock hitch for it though...

Mike Fitz · Apr 8, 2014

Bryce, Here are some picts of poor shares vs. decent shares. The share in the first two picts barely work, the second two work very well. Mike

Bryce Frazier · Apr 8, 2014

Oooo really? I think mine are probably worse than the "bad ones" !!! I'll go get some pictures right now... Bryce

Bryce Frazier · Apr 8, 2014

Alright, the first picture is of the shares on the Centennial plow. Not so good huh.....

The second is of the add-ons on the BL Plow, I think it should work just fine...

Bryce

mkirsch · Apr 8, 2014

If the welds hold, those look like they'll do ok.

Mike Fitz · Apr 8, 2014

Bryce, either those are the most worn out blacksmith shares I have ever seen or you might be very lucky. take a picture from the side. It looks like you have throwaway shares in the first pict. If they are, 16" shares are still available, and I THINK they will bolt on a 14" bottom. These plows could have either. On another note,I saw your post about paint. This is a great hobby, and your enthuisam is great, but don't let it result in a tragedy in the future because you are in a hurry now. I would get your plow mechanically good, use it this spring then use plain paint later and just give it plenty of time to dry( say a month) Mike

Mike Fitz · Apr 8, 2014

The black share is a throw away, the rusty one is a blacksmith share.

IH fan · Apr 8, 2014

Looks to me like neither of the shares is in very good condition. The top one may not go in the ground and the second may just pull harder than it should.
As for his tractor pulling a 2x14" pull type plow... in easy plowing soil, a Super C engine in the C, and 2 sets of wheel weights, it should pull it without too much trouble, and not too deep. The key will be having a good condition, properly set up plow. As for the mounted plow, Dad had a C with the plow that mounted under the belly and lifted with the Touch control, in fairly easy plowing soil, he said it did better than his Super C with a Fast Hitch plow, both 2x14". I plowed a lot with the SC, but never with the C mounted plow, so I have no direct experience, just Dad's word.

Bryce Frazier · Apr 8, 2014

Here is a side shot of the first share. What is as throw away share, and how does it make me lucky!?!?

I only have a week or two, so in case I don't figure out what to do to replace them before then, do you think that they would work the way they are?? It looks to me like they would still go in the ground, but how well they would work is beyond me!

I was REALLY excited to get to use this restored plow with one of my pretty tractors, but it's not lookin good! Bryce

mkirsch · Apr 8, 2014

Throwaway shares are still available new, and are not that expensive.

"Go into the ground" is where worn-out shares cause problems. If you can get them into the ground, the moldboard does the rest of the work.

On easy-plowing ground, it's not so much of an issue, though. I would take the best looking plow, go to your plow day, and give it a try. Stop second-guessing everything. Have fun. There will certainly be some old plow hands there that will help you get going and give you advice.

Bryce Frazier · Apr 8, 2014

Thats about the same thing mom told me...

I am taking 3 plows, 3 tractors, and a disc..

I will FOR SURE have 2 goodo working plows, and a good working disc, and there is only 1 of me, so I am in the clear!

Thanks for all of the information guys, I really appreciate it!

I will be sure to post a bunch of pictures after the event, but like I said there is no "set in stone" date, but I think it will be before the month is over....

Bryce

Mike Fitz · Apr 8, 2014

Wow! those are the most worn blacksmith shares I have seen! The shares on your BL are much better, and should bolt on the B plow, if thats what you want to use. Mike

Mike Fitz · Apr 8, 2014

Mkirsh hit it on the head! Go have fun. Then work on the plow you like the best, the centennial plow is not far from being a good unit, I don't know what your other units look like. There are a LOT of ways to set up a plow, do some research and dig in. There are many people on the Case forum that can help with the Case plow, and the same for the JD plow. Mike

Bryce Frazier · Apr 8, 2014

You know, I got to thinking about it, and I guess it REALLY doesn't matter how pretty the plow I am pulling is...

I think tomorrow I am going to switch the shares between the plows, and put the bad ones on the BL and the added on ones on the Restored Plow. Another problem I have with using the BL plow, is that it doesn't have a break away hitch on the front of it, and the restored one does, so I will still take the three plows, and probably just disc with one tractor and have the BL plow there for looks, or I guess if a bigger tractor wants to rip it around that would be ok too!

Thanks for all your help guys, my family has NO experience in farming, and it is OH SO NICE to be able to sit down and ask you guys something and actually get an answer that is better than (uuuuuu, ya bubba that had ought work!)

Thanks, Bryce

Mike Fitz · Apr 9, 2014

Bryce, I was looking on the I-net and found a place called Balsters Implement & parts PH 8006213838 that supposedly has new shares at 170.00$ a pop. I don't have any personal knowledge of them or have done business with them but it might be a place to start looking. Mike

Dean Olson · Apr 9, 2014

I pull a 2-14" C20 fast hitch plow with my super C. 3 rear wheel weights on both sides also have front frame and wheel wights. Tires are not loaded. The motor is not new and holds 20-40psi oil pressure. I added weights till I lost power instead of traction.

My soil is heavy clay. It will bust new ground in 1st gear but do a poor job. The following years It does a beautiful job in 2nd gear.

Mike Fitz · Apr 9, 2014

They are out of business I think. sorry

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