Super M / MD hoods

tractorsam

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I"m currently looking at a Super M that"s for sale several hours away and it looks to me like it was possibly assembled from parts off a diesel. It looks like the decals (fuel tank and hood) were originally for a diesel and the hood has the clearance for a diesel carb but I see no signs of there ever having been a hole on the right for the diesel exhaust or starting gas tank. Were some hoods made this way? There should be an picture of the tractor in question attached to this post. I haven"t been to see the tractor yet and am trying to figure out if it"s worth the drive. Thanks, Sam
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Guessing this was a SMD at one time. The motor either went south or into another tractor. The fuel tank is from a diesel. The hood and decal are from a diesel. The frame side rails are from a diesel. Doesn"t make the tractor worthless, but it isn"t right for a SM.
 
Wouldn't matter a bit if "its not right for a SuperM"If it looks good(it does),runs good,and is fully funtional,I would not care if it wasnt 'right'.Looks like it has a wide front and I see a live 'mag' pump as well.Both are 'pluses'I wouldnt discount price either.Post more pics,please.Good luck!
 
That pretty well confirms what I'm thinking. I'm just amazed I can't see any sign of the exhaust hole but the decals weren't changed. Here is another picture as asked, It has power steering, two sets of rear weight, remotes (most of the hydraulic system is add on, the serial number is correct for a Stage 2 Super M, front tires are new, rears appear older but look good, rims look great. The front end has two different rims/centers (one loops, one clamps). There is also some of an M & W clutch (no handle). My part of the world tends to be extremely hard on tractors and I've been caught out before so I'm kind of cautious about 'assembled' tractors. Thanks, Sam
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Must have patched the hood holes, but left the lower edge clearance bend outs. It is a stage 2 SM clutch housing along with a diesel starter. Also a SM transmission housing. Is a C-264 engine with a casting number ending in R1. Someone added the dipstick if that"s what I see. Looks like the gasoline frame rails. Upper bolster must be from the diesel. From the looks it could be a Stage 2 that came without engine driven hydraulics or they didn"t have a stage 2 under tank reservoir when assembled.
 
Where are you at,that folks are so hard on tractors?Thats a good lookin M!Even assembled from parts,SMs are pretty simple/DURABLE tractors.If everything checks out,I would have absolutely NO issues with owning that tractor!
 
I am in Nova Scotia, Canada. I have a bit of a theory about tractors in these parts that being that most of the farms here are small and fairly poor (or at least they were) and we have very few pre-WW2 tractors in this part of the world. Most of the older tractors around here are from the early forties and the following 15 years. Not many hundred series, fifty series, or sixty series though. It seems that most of the tractors were made to serve long past their normal working life and were often fixed in the cheapest way. Also most tractors here saw double duty on the farm and in the woods so straight sheet metal is almost non-existant. Add to that a very damp climate with frequent temperature swings and stuff gets rusty in a hurry.

I have a center section from a 300 utility in the yard and at some point the starter must have hung up, someone took a drill and drilled a series of holes in a square about 3" big. They then smashed out the chunk of casting in the middle, put a piece of aluminum plate over it, and several coats of blue paint over the whole tractor, didn't find that until it got home. The last Super M I had when the clutch started to go south and wouldn't release properly they cut the adjuster rod and welded a bolt into the middle until the fingers wore off the clutch, the throwout bearing broke its carrier tube, and the tractor would go no further.

Abused tractors are the norm around here, sometimes they're easy to spot, sometimes they hide a little better and I've been bitten before. I don't have any objections to that tractor (I think it'd look great in the shed) but just want to make sure I don't overlook something because it appears to be in good shape. Thanks, Sam
 
Can't be sure but blowing the picture up it looks like cast number 356980R1 on the block.
They were used in SM,SMTA and early 400 tractors. Can't make out the dare code or serial number.
So the dipstick was probably added to the block sometime. 400 tractors with block 356980R2 come equipped with a dipstick.
 
(quoted from post at 15:00:27 03/30/14)...Abused tractors are the norm around here, sometimes they're easy to spot, sometimes they hide a little better and I've been bitten before. I don't have any objections to that tractor (I think it'd look great in the shed) but just want to make sure I don't overlook something because it appears to be in good shape. Thanks, Sam

That's the norm everywhere. I have seen A LOT of tractors with that clutch "fix."
 

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