Farmall 460 on narrow trailor

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Okay, here is a question for somebody that knows his Farmall 460's, H's, and 300/350's: If I am to get my new-to-me 460 onto a borrowed trailor which is only about 72 inches wide, is it possible to get the width, with rear tires still mounted, down below 72 inches? Specifically, by reversing the wheels and bringing the hubs in as close as possible, will that bring the rear track below 72 inches? And if that won't do it, would it get below 72" by removing the tires/rims and letting it rest just on the wheels with them reversed? Thanks to anybody who would know and could advise. Hugh

 

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wilsonsk

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• Mar 4, 2014

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(quoted from post at 11:24:43 03/04/14) Okay, here is a question for somebody that knows his Farmall 460's, H's, and 300/350's: If I am to get my new-to-me 460 onto a borrowed trailor which is only about 72 inches wide, is it possible to get the width, with rear tires still mounted, down below 72 inches? Specifically, by reversing the wheels and bringing the hubs in as close as possible, will that bring the rear track below 72 inches? And if that won't do it, would it get below 72" by removing the tires/rims and letting it rest just on the wheels with them reversed? Thanks to anybody who would know and could advise. Hugh

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tractordata.com says 83.5 minimum.

 

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Okay, let me clarify: Tractordata does say that the minimum is 83.5, but believe me, that is not accurate. The rear track right now is right at 83 inches and that is with about 3 to 5 inches of take-up still to be had on the axles/hubs. Then too, Tractordata is giving figures for running tractors, not for transporting. On a Farmall tractor of that era, you could reverse the hubs and use the offset to get a much narrower track. And too, you can also take the tires and rims off, to reduce it even further. The tractor is some 200 miles away, so I can't do this until I go to get it. Thanks for any and all help. Hugh

 

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Dave from Texas

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• Mar 4, 2014

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I haul my H & M on the same size trailer. Wheels dished out.

 

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Thank you, might I ask how wide is your trailor? Hugh

 

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IAtractorKid

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• Mar 4, 2014

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A SH with hubs dished out on 13.6"s will get to about 80". To fit on the same trailer, you have to dish one hub in on a SM with 13.6"s.

Assuming the rear axle housings of a 460 are the same width as those of a SM, I would guess you could be right at 70" with both hubs dished in and rims set in (assuming they are double bevel).

 

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D Slater

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Double bevel and 13.6 tires with wheels dished out, clamps on inside of wheel and in the outside rim bevel will put you close. 72 or 73 to the outside of tires if I remember correct. Going to go measure to see how close that is.

 

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Thank you IATractorkid! That is exactly what I needed to know, and so now I can proceed to the next step: gathering the tools I will need to reverse the wheels and stuff. Again, thank you very much for this exact information! Hopefully, I can post some photos later this month and show how it all went, Hugh

 

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Thank you D Slater, for this precise data--it is worth an awful lot to me, to know if I am in the ballpark, before I start gathering my tools and stuff!

 

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Oh, I forgot to mention, the tires are only 12.4 - 38"s, which should reduce the width about another inch....Hugh

 

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Not to be a stick in the mud, but if the trailer is only 72" wide, what is the capacity of the trailer? Im thinking that 460 is about 5900# or so.

 

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David G

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• Mar 4, 2014

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It should only cost 4-500 to get shipped. It can be a lot of work changing the wheels. Things tend to get stuck.

 

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CNKS

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• Mar 4, 2014

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The axle housings are the same width as an H, M same as the 560.

 

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D Slater

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Measured 13.6 on 11 inch wide rims set like I said and came up with 72 inches. 12 inch rim for that tire would add another inch or so to 72.

 

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D beatty

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• Mar 4, 2014

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A 460 with 12.4-38s can get down to 83.5 inches min.. If the trailer is a flat bed ( no fenders) you might be able to cock the tractor to get it to fit.

 

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gearheadbill

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• Mar 4, 2014

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On my 460 with fenders, 83.5 is as close as I can go. I haul it on an 84" trailer with not much room to spare.

 

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Anonymous-0

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Assuming the above it should just squeeze on with the tires rubbing.

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It's an old tractor so you have to assume the bolts are rusted solid. You'll need a torch and big extension bar to even try and loosen them up.

Front end will be an even bigger challenge getting the tie rod ends to move and the front axle tube to slide in.

I'd second the idea of getting someone to transport it for you

Good Luck

 

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Athol Carr

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• Mar 4, 2014

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An IH Brochure for Farmnalls H and M states that for steel wheels the H tread is 44 to 80 inches and for the M 52 to 88 inch tread. I believe that with the wheels dished in, the minimum tread for a pneumatic tyred H is also 44 inches and the maximum is also 88 inches My W-4 with 13 inch tyres has an overall with of about 65 inches on a tread of 52 inches.

 

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sflem849

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• Mar 4, 2014

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trailer - An unpowered vehicle towed by another, in particular.

 

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D Slater

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• Mar 4, 2014

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460 uses different wheels and rims than a H. Rims have two bevels at different places in the rim so they can be mounted with more rim from the inside center to the inside or outside of the wheel. Mounting bevels are off center. Also the rim clamps can be used on the inside or outside of the wheel to move the rim and tire more off center or nearer center.
With the wheels all in on the axle, wheels turned out and the rims and clamps placed to move the rim and tire to the maximum inside offset. IH gives 59 inches as the tread width. That's from center of tire to center of tire. Depends on the tire brand, but if 13.6 was used on 12 inch rims I will round that off to adding 14 inches to 59. That would be 73 inches outside to outside of the tires. 15.5 on 14 inch rims would give about a 75 inch width.
Just to double check I measured a tractor with the above wheels turned out, all in on axle. 13.6 on 11 inch rims and came up with 72 inches wide or within 1/8 inch.
Just saying it can be done. May not be the easiest way to narrow up to fit though. Just depends on the settings found.

 

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Tom Dowling

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• Mar 4, 2014

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You might want to take along a couple big strong helpers especially if the tires are loaded

 

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Hugh McKinney

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• Mar 4, 2014

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Thank you, each and every one of you, for all the legwork and number-crunching that you all have done--I really am blessed to have people on this website who are so generous with their time and expertise. And I agree, this is gonna be tricky. But the guy I'm buying it from is equiped with the best tools, I will have a friend with me who made the U.S. Olympic team in the decathalon--a few years back! Even at that, I haven't ruled out paying someone else, I'm just trying to thoroughly research all my options so I know what gives me my best chance of getting it done, right, with minimum of headache and hazard. Thanks again, I'll keep y'all posted, hopefully take and post some pics..Hugh

 

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mkirsch

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• Mar 5, 2014

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Hugh,

There is a contractor with the City of Rochester NY that uses a fleet of classic Farmalls and Olivers to plow the sidewalks. On the farmall side, H's, 300's, and 350's are common.

Those tractors can't be any wider than 72" to fit behind the V-plows.

In fact, it appears that you won't even have to dismount the rim from the wheel, just dish it in. Thanks Bob M for the photograph:

 

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D Slater

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• Mar 5, 2014

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First let me say most IH published tread spacing are from center to center of tire. So if a tire is 13.6 mounted on the recommended rim 13.6 would be added to the published tread spacing. Different rim widths to tires may put the rim edge wider than a tire. Also axles or wheel weights can stick out to increase overall width.
Some info I have shows 48 inches as the minimum tread width with wheels dished in for up to a 14.9 tire. Even with 3 different rim bolt on combinations with dished in wheels 48 is the minimum setting. Because they don't recommend having the tire closer than that to the tractor.
That would make the inside of tires 48-13.6 = 34.4 and the outside 48+13.6 = 61.6. Sure would hate to operate one like that. Would be hard to get on and off and in mud it would be on the tractor and you. Also would only want to be on smooth level ground.
With wheels dished out a 59 inch minimum wheel tread is listed. 59+13.6 = 72.6. outside to outside of tread. 13.6 on 11 inch rims puts you below the 72.6. So in theory a 12.4 on a 10 or 11 inch rim will put you at 72 or less at the minimum tread spacing with the wheels dished out. This is to explain why I question the posters that say 80 some inches outside to outside is all they can be narrowed to. Does someone have a 460 operators manual to make sure it has about the same information?