super a radiator

rray · Feb 24, 2014

I have inherited what I am told is a 1953 Super A. I do not have the serial number as the seat was changed out. The engine block number is FAAM 329352 G. I need a new radiator. The one I have has a tag with, IH Melrose Pk. WKS 58124-DB G25. There is no water pump. While searching for parts I notice some parts are labeled for early or later Super A. I'm sure some of y'all have a bit of experience with this. Also the hydraulics reservoir is low. The manual calls for SAE 10W. What should I be looking for to refill? Advice is appreciated.

Richard

DeltaRed · Feb 24, 2014

Cant help on the radiator...But use 'Hi-tran' Or equivalent.'Back in the day',10 wt was all that was available.'Hydralic' oils didnot yet exist.Drain system and refill with Hi tran(or similar) fluid.

GRAPE-DRANK · Feb 24, 2014

(quoted from post at 08:10:16 02/24/14) I have inherited what I am told is a 1953 Super A. I do not have the serial number as the seat was changed out. The engine block number is FAAM 329352 G. I need a new radiator. The one I have has a tag with, IH Melrose Pk. WKS 58124-DB G25. There is no water pump. While searching for parts I notice some parts are labeled for early or later Super A. I'm sure some of y'all have a bit of experience with this. Also the hydraulics reservoir is low. The manual calls for SAE 10W. What should I be looking for to refill? Advice is appreciated.

Richard

First, does your Super A have a water pump? If not, then it is thermosiphon and you want the early-style radiator. If it is pressurized, meaning you have a water pump then you want the later style.

2nd If your hydraulics are low check your crankcase oilpan. What will happen is a seal wears out in the hydraulic pump causing the hydraulic fluid to slowly leak into the crankcase. If you were to use hytran now, that would cause the two oils to mix. I agree, hytran works well and I use it, but I wouldn't recommend it until you can rule out that hydraulic oil isn't seeping into the crankshaft oilpan.

GRAPE-DRANK · Feb 24, 2014

IF your Super A has a water pump this is what you need.

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Farmall-Super-A_Radiator_356356R94.html

If your Super A DOES NOT have a water pump this is what you need.

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Farmall-Super-A_Radiator-2-Inch-Inlet-and-Outlet-Tubes_58124DBX.html

I'm not entirely sure, but I'm thinking that it might have been possible for IH to have made a 1953 Super A with a water pump.

DeltaRed · Feb 24, 2014

Grape is right.If your tractor 'makes' oil,then the
pump seal is probably at fault.Not a hard repair.In
fact I've repaired a few myself...Couple bucks for
the seal(get them at NAPA),couple hrs to do the work,good to go.

rray · Feb 24, 2014

Thanks to all, I ordered http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Farmall-Super-A_Radiator-2-Inch-Inlet-and-Outlet-Tubes_58124DBX.html. About the hydraulics, I have a bucket of iso68 hydraulic oil, is this equivalent. Can you send me the url for hytran oil? Should the hydraulic oil be filled with the rams in any specific position?

WellWorn · Feb 24, 2014

Richard, while the purists may specify HyTran (the Official IH hydraulic oil), any good grade UTF (Universal Tractor Fluid), even one of the two varieties from Tractor Supply, will work.

When filling the Touch Control resevoir, the levers and rams should be 'back' (toward the seat), because then the rams of the cylinders will be fully into the block, and they take up 'oil space'. If you fill the res with the rams forward, when they retract, the res will be over full and possibly push oil out of the block breather.

Hope that helps.
Well Worn

GRAPE-DRANK · Feb 24, 2014

What he said, but if you wanted to use Hi Tran Case IH sells it at their dealers.

rray · Feb 24, 2014

Thanks guys. The closest IH dealer is 20+ miles. Tractor Supply is on the way home from work

rray · Feb 24, 2014

One more question, is this cooling system pressurized?

WellWorn · Feb 24, 2014

(quoted from post at 21:30:34 02/24/14) One more question, is this cooling system pressurized?

Well, that depends... according to the TC39 parts book, anything before tractor serial #336711 was non-pressurized. Tractordata.com gives starting serial #s for 1952-54 as
1952: 324470
1953: 336880
1954: 353348

So if your SA is really a 1953, it would probably be a pressurized system. The IH part number would be 356710 R91, used with the 358104 R93 radiator. If you go by the engine number, it's a '52, and would be non-pressurized, providing the engine is original.

Lots of variables - perhaps someone else may know.

Jim Becker · Feb 25, 2014

(quoted from post at 23:39:56 02/24/14)

(quoted from post at 21:30:34 02/24/14) One more question, is this cooling system pressurized?

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Well, that depends... according to the TC39 parts book, anything before tractor serial #336711 was non-pressurized. Tractordata.com gives starting serial #s for 1952-54 as
1952: 324470
1953: 336880
1954: 353348

So if your SA is really a 1953, it would probably be a pressurized system. The IH part number would be 356710 R91, used with the 358104 R93 radiator. If you go by the engine number, it's a '52, and would be non-pressurized, providing the engine is original.

Lots of variables - perhaps someone else may know.

I think all his questions were effectively answered by this from the first post:

(quoted from post at 10:10:16 02/24/14) The one I have has a tag with, IH Melrose Pk. WKS [b:b4847b644c]58124-DB [/b:b4847b644c]G25.

Radiator part number 58124DB, non-pressurized.

DeltaRed · Feb 25, 2014

I said "HyTran" because that is a term that
everybody knows.I dont use it(No supplier for 300
miles and too expencive)I use Mobil or Phillips
oils.Have also used Walmart,NAPA and others.

mkirsch · Feb 25, 2014

Any hydraulic fluid that claims MS1209 compliance is at least compatible with Hytran.

20 miles to the caseIH dealer? You've got it good. That's less than an hour out and back. I wouldn't be making too much of having to drive a measly 20 miles to get to a dealer.

gene bender · Feb 27, 2014

If it doesent have a water pump it isnt a pressure system.

rray · Mar 3, 2014

(quoted from post at 10:43:55 02/24/14) IF your Super A has a water pump this is what you need.

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Farmall-Super-A_Radiator_356356R94.html

If your Super A DOES NOT have a water pump this is what you need.

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Farmall-Super-A_Radiator-2-Inch-Inlet-and-Outlet-Tubes_58124DBX.html

I'm not entirely sure, but I'm thinking that it might have been possible for IH to have made a 1953 Super A with a water pump.

I got the new radiator and it appears to be a match except for the cap. The one I have has a cap the locks inside the neck and the new one locks outside the neck. So far I have not been able to find a new cap.

Jim Becker · Mar 3, 2014

Sounds like your new radiator is for a pressure system. A cap for the later style pressure system should fit.

It appears this is a case of the available replacement not matching an original part (or evidently the sellers description). If you want your tractor to match the original configuration, check back with the source to see if the wrong part was shipped. It may be easier to just get a cap that fits (thus changing to a pressure system).

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