IH 2001 Loader on 300

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

[b:45994a82b2]Hey all, Been wanting to get a loader for my 300 narrow front so I was searching craigslist the other day and found an IH 2001 loader with trip bucket for $325 about an hour from my house. Contacted the seller, the guy bought the loader for a Farmall H but then sold the H and is now selling the loader. Told him I'd like to check it out this weekend weather permitting. Whats your opinions on it? Ill post the ad...

Other than the obvious checking for cracks/repairs in the frames is there anything else I should look at? I will more than likely (have to) replace the hoses. If the cylinders leak are there any kits I can get to fix them?

heres the Ad:[/b:45994a82b2]
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/grd/4327030726.html

Brendon-KS · Feb 17, 2014

Just my personal opinion here, but I would much
prefer a loader with a hydraulic bucket instead of
a mechanical trip. The hydraulic tilt just gives
you so many more options on what you can do with
the loader. I also find that having a tractor-
width bucket is nice for things like snow removal;
the manure bucket shown here is only 40 inches
wide. Lastly, it appears that this loader has
single-acting lift cylinders which eliminate the
possibility of applying down pressure to the boom.
If it were me I'd keep looking but if the above
limitations don't effect how you're planning on
using it a $325 loader is quite cheap.

Al L. in Wisc. · Feb 17, 2014

Yup, you can still get seal; your favorite local dealer or a shop that specializes in hydraulics. Brendon makes some good points also.

armand tatro · Feb 17, 2014

At $325 for the loader upgrading to two way cylinders, adding a bucket cylinder, and a wider becket is no big deal.
Armand

rustyfarmall · Feb 17, 2014

Unless the loader turns out to be a piece of junk, $325 is a good price. Go for it. The mechanical trip bucket isn't that big of a drawback. You can quickly learn the "finesse" needed to deal with it.

mkirsch · Feb 17, 2014

You better get on the stick and go get it. If you wait for this coming weekend, it will be GONE. At the very least call and tell him you want it.

If it came off an H, you can't do any better, because it will bolt right on to your 300 with no major modifications.

Those loaders are practically bulletproof.

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 08:50:07 02/17/14) You better get on the stick and go get it. If you wait for this coming weekend, it will be GONE. At the very least call and tell him you want it.

If it came off an H, you can't do any better, because it will bolt right on to your 300 with no major modifications.

Those loaders are practically bulletproof.

Believe it or not that Ad has been posted twice in about a month and a half, I guess because its a trip bucket nobody wants it? I told the guy I was very interested in it, and since I work nightshift thru the week and us having about a foot of snow still on the ground doesn't help much either. Otherwise I'd already have it.

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 08:03:17 02/17/14) At $325 for the loader upgrading to two way cylinders, adding a bucket cylinder, and a wider becket is no big deal.
Armand

where would be the cheapest place to get a set of 2 way cylinders that big?

armand tatro · Feb 17, 2014

Where are you located? I think Bates tractor parts has a parts yard in Ind. I think Waynes used tractor parts is still located in El Paso, Il. There is hydraulic cylinder repair shop in Gibson City, Il. Shoups in Kankakee, Il. has new cylinders for sale along with a lot of other parts(I-800-627-6137). A lot depends where you are located.
Armand

TomH in PA · Feb 17, 2014

Take a look at it before worrying about the cylinders. There's a good chance it already has 2-way that are plumbed in one direction for the H with the other side acting as an unpressurized reservoir. With a trip bucket the down pressure isn't really needed anyway.

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 17:56:46 02/17/14) Where are you located? I think Bates tractor parts has a parts yard in Ind. I think Waynes used tractor parts is still located in El Paso, Il. There is hydraulic cylinder repair shop in Gibson City, Il. Shoups in Kankakee, Il. has new cylinders for sale along with a lot of other parts(I-800-627-6137). A lot depends where you are located.
Armand

I'm located outside of Gettysburg, PA

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 17:59:49 02/17/14) Take a look at it before worrying about the cylinders. There's a good chance it already has 2-way that are plumbed in one direction for the H with the other side acting as an unpressurized reservoir. With a trip bucket the down pressure isn't really needed anyway.

I dont recall any 2000 or 2001 loader having one way cylinders but not sure. As long as I can get my trailer out and we dont get anymore snow I'll be up there Saturday.

VernMN · Feb 17, 2014

I have one with single acting lift cylinders

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 19:45:54 02/17/14) I have one with single acting lift cylinders

oh really, Do you like it?

Anybody have any pics of a 2001 loader on a 300? My Grandfather (RIP) had one on his 400, I woulda loved to have gotten that tractor..

Brendon-KS · Feb 17, 2014

According to my old IH literature both the 2000 and
2001 had 2" bore single-acting lift cylinders as
standard with 2.5" double-acting as optional. You
can identify the double-acting version by the steel
oil line running down the underside of the barrel
to a port on the rod end cap. The single-acting
ones will only have a hose going to the base end
(which is at the top when installed on the loader).

504 · Feb 17, 2014

Very easy to add cylinders to the bucket. If you look, the bucket moves forward and the holes are already drilled. Add cylinders and I think you will be happy with single cyl on the arms.

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 20:17:30 02/17/14) Very easy to add cylinders to the bucket. If you look, the bucket moves forward and the holes are already drilled. Add cylinders and I think you will be happy with single cyl on the arms.

I probably will eventually add a dump cylinder, I'll just have to plumb from my fast hitch lines since my 300 only as 2 hydraulic controls. 1 for fast hitch, and the other for the side ports by the hydr res. (which will be used for the lift cylinders)

be nice if I could find a 2001 dump cylinder in the tractor scrap yard close to my house. Having a trip bucket doesnt really bother me much, I've used them before but hydraulic is definitely nicer to have.

armand tatro · Feb 17, 2014

I am located 20 miles south of Kankakee, Il. on I-57 so I can't be much more help on locating parts. Armand

Stemmy · Feb 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 21:12:20 02/17/14) I am located 20 miles south of Kankakee, Il. on I-57 so I can't be much more help on locating parts. Armand

thanks anyway Armand! There's a few tractor yards close to my area I could always go search in.

mkirsch · Feb 18, 2014

Hmm, maybe it was meant to be yours then?

Or else there is some major hidden flaw that you find when you get there...

Brendon-KS · Feb 18, 2014

What you describe is exactly what I do on my 350
with a 2000 loader since I also only have two
circuits. The bucket cylinder hoses run down the
loader frame to the back. When I want to use the
hitch I just disconnect the bucket, pop in the
hitch hoses, and am ready to go. Reconnecting the
bucket couplers can take a bit of a shove since
there is some backpressure but it isn't too bad.

I normally keep the hitch lift links in the fixed
supports on the frame and the cylinder completely
retracted when not in use. This takes the load
off of the un-connected cylinder and keeps the
couplers from seeping.

Rollie NE PA · Feb 18, 2014

If your looking for parts for your loader, just check with Wenger's in Myerstown, PA

Stemmy · Feb 18, 2014

(quoted from post at 18:05:13 02/18/14) What you describe is exactly what I do on my 350
with a 2000 loader since I also only have two
circuits. The bucket cylinder hoses run down the
loader frame to the back. When I want to use the
hitch I just disconnect the bucket, pop in the
hitch hoses, and am ready to go. Reconnecting the
bucket couplers can take a bit of a shove since
there is some backpressure but it isn't too bad.

I normally keep the hitch lift links in the fixed
supports on the frame and the cylinder completely
retracted when not in use. This takes the load
off of the un-connected cylinder and keeps the
couplers from seeping.

does your loader have one way or 2 way cylinders? Have any pictures of your setup?

Stemmy · Feb 18, 2014

(quoted from post at 12:58:27 02/18/14) Hmm, maybe it was meant to be yours then?

Or else there is some major hidden flaw that you find when you get there...

kinda my thoughts... I'm hoping its not a basket case.

Brendon-KS · Feb 19, 2014

Here's what my setup looks like. The picture from
the back shows the bucket hoses heading up the
right side and the hitch hoses tied up and capped
off. It also shows the lift links in the solid
supports and the cylinder completely collapsed.
When I use the hitch I just swap the hoses and cap
off the bucket couplers.

The remotes you see to the left are on the same
circuit as the boom lift cylinders (which are
double-acting). There is a shut-off valve on the
lift hose (seen on the other picture) so when I
want to use the remotes for a drawn implement I
can lock the loader in place which then forces the
oil to the remotes. This is also handy for
holding the loader at a fixed height without
worrying about it settling down.

Stemmy · Feb 19, 2014

Thanks for the pics! thats a pretty sweet setup, but what about the outlets on the left side of the hyd resv, (if sitting on the tractor), are they in use?

also, do you happen to have a pic of the brackets for the front of the loader frame where it bolts to the bolster? just incase they are MIA when I go up this weekend.

Brendon-KS · Feb 20, 2014

The outlets on the left and right are both on the
same circuit. I removed the couplers from the
left side manifold block and hard-plumbed the
remote outlet hoses into those ports. This is how
the remotes and the boom lift cylinders ended up
on the same circuit.

Here is a picture of the brackets that I had to
make to adapt the 460 brackets that came with the
loader onto my tractor. The frame of the 350 is
two inches narrower and the hole pattern in the
front casting where the brackets bolt on is
completely different. I ran the new brackets back
far enough to tie into both the casting and the
side frame rails to help tie everything together.
Since you're going from an H to a 300 your system
would be different since you won't have the white
angles shown here; they were specific to the 460.
I think the brackets made for the H to 350 family
were one piece and had a joggle to get them out to
the width of the loader frame.

Stemmy · Feb 20, 2014

Wow man nice work on the bracket and thank you for the help! I'm hoping everything is there with the loader. Calling the guy tomorrow to make sure its still game on.

mkirsch · Feb 21, 2014

That is definitely some nice fab work.

Hopefully, though, you won't have to do that, if it came off an H. It should already have the correct bracket. You might have to bolt it together differently to account for the longer 300, but other than that...

Stemmy · Feb 21, 2014

(quoted from post at 07:54:05 02/21/14) That is definitely some nice fab work.

Hopefully, though, you won't have to do that, if it came off an H. It should already have the correct bracket. You might have to bolt it together differently to account for the longer 300, but other than that...

If not, I know a good metal fabricator & machinist... ME! lol I have access to metal here at the shop and I have a welder at my house.

Stemmy · Feb 22, 2014

well, I brought the loader home today. No cracks in the frame or subframe, manure bucket isn't rotten and is in surprisingly good shape minus missing a few teeth. The guy had the front brackets for the tractor but didn't have the rear plates to bolt the sub frame to the axle housing, no big deal I can make them. Ill post pics shortly.

Stemmy · Feb 22, 2014

Stemmy · Feb 24, 2014

doing some pondering, is it possible or even worth converting these one way cylinders to two-way? or should I just try to find 2 way cylinders from the tractor yard? I do machine work for a living and have material and a welder to tackle it.

mkirsch · Feb 25, 2014

I don't think those can be converted to 2-way.

Notice that the rods are almost as big around as the inside diameter of the cylinder, if not as big. There's no place for oil to go on the "down pressure" side.

You'll have to find 2-way cylinders if you decide you absolutely can't live without them. The problem is you're most likely to find the cylinders attached to a perfectly good loader...

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