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Dave8N in Pa

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I bought an old H and it needs a starter. My ser. # is FBH 76408. I just checked with this site and they can't get me a starter. That seems odd. It takes a 2 hole mount starter. Does anyone know if the one on this site will work on my tractor? It says by the ser.# that it will not. Is it possible their information is wrong? Can anyone tell me which way my starter should turn- clockwise or counter clockwise?
 
This site should have what you need, and many other vendors will too. They are interchangeable between H and M. All Hs use the same starter as far as I know.
Zach
 
Did you actually call, or just going by the description? 1107448 is the same one I have on 2 Ms and my I4 and on just about every H or M Ive ever had or worked on.
 
Yeah, that's what everyone seems to think. I can't believe everyone is wrong. But the parts people on this site disagree.
 
One size fits all. The serial number break may be due to some H tractor starters did not have a center bearing. All later ones did as far as I know. Repaired hundreds of them over the years.

You will find things like that showing up in all parts manuals. They don't transition the later parts to the early serial number machines when actually the later one replaced the original number.

There are exceptions like in the case of generators. The H with a high low charge light switch takes a different generator than later ones with regulators. Now days though you would probably be able to get only the later one.
 
Dave I do not argue with the parts people even if I know they are wrong, I just go buy from someone else and the first one loose my business. I use to argue but I found out that all that does is drag you down to there level.

Bob
 
Thank you sir, I have a starter that someone welded a broken ear. When I looked at the brushes the were burned up worse then any I had ever seen. We turned the commutator(if that's the right name) and put in new brushes. It turns but it has no power. Put in new battery and cables. A new starter switch and nothing helps. Got to be the starter. Cleaned the mating surface and all connections. Still turns slow or not at all.
 
I get your point but my old hide is pretty tuff so I'm going to keep trying. I think the starter they have is probably going to fit. But I feel better now that everyone agrees except the parts people. I'm waiting to hear a few more Guru's say it should fit, then I'm going to order one in the morning.
 
Thank you Jim, I'm going to call them back in the morning and buy the one they have. There is just nothing better then experience. Thanks again, Dave
 
Check prices as they do vary along with the warranty. Have yours checked from a rebuilder they arent that hard to rebuild and he will have a good source for a replacement.
 
The serial number break for the H is wrong. Serial numbers 501 - 391357 take the starter they have listed. Serial number 391358 and up for the H as well as the Super H from 501 - 193233 take a starter that uses the same two bolt mount but with a switch mounted on the starter.

The serial number listed on this site is the break point for the Super H but the starter listed here would be the wrong one for tractors on both sides of that number.

The starter you need is a CCW starter. To determine what rotation a starter is you look at it from the drive end.
 
H tractors serial # 391358 and higher have a switch on the starter. Rest of starters before that the same with no switch on starter. Early H tractors didn't come with a starter gear on the flywheel or a pulley to drive the generator. When a starting and lighting attachment was installed on those the above parts also needed installed. Maybe that's why the mix up on working.
 
I've got a 1940 H that was built without any electrical system. When my dad bought it, the engine had just been overhauled, the electrical system added, and the tractor painted. It has the same electrical parts as would have come on a Super H.
 
Would have thought they would have smarter people up there than that. Id still be leary of buying a "NEW" starter from anyone, probably some China made junk. If it were me, Id look for a used one and have it rebuilt.
 
Depending upon where you are in Pa, I would strongly suggest you give Burgh equipment a call. They are in western Pa near Portersville, Pa.

Do a search on Burgh implement.

Ask for John, and tell him I sent you.
 
From this site's description:

Starter, 6 Volt, 2 Bolt Mount - 2-Bolt mounted starter for C163 gas engine on H (to SN# 19233), HV, for 248 gas on M (to SN# 28174), 152 Gas on OS4 (1940-51), C248 Gas on O-6 (1940-51), C264 gas on O-9 (1940-51), C163 Gas on Super W-4 (1952-54), C264 Gas on Super W-6/6TA (1946-51), C335 Gas on Super W-9 (1946-51), C163 Gas on I4 (1940-51). Can be used on a 12 Volt system and recommend installing heavy duty starter drive part #SDR5022. (Part No: 1107448)
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Those serial number breaks are for the SUPER series tractors.

Give the guys that run the site a little break. They're dealing with tens of thousands of parts for hundreds of models of tractors from dozens of brands. They can't be 100% perfect, or know everything about every part they have. They can only go by what's listed.
 
Ditto the post below about buying a new starter, I would not do it. Lots of these being scrapped so shop around, look on ebay, etc and find a used starter. If it doesn't work, take it to an auto electric shop and have it rebuilt.
 
I understand what you mean but that's how this whole problem got started. The guy who sold me this tractor bought a used starter from Fry's in Muncy Pa. They sold him one they had repaired, welded a broken ear. They burned it to a crisp. He paid $165 for it. He gave up trying to make it start because he was sure they sold him a good starter. I took it to an electric shop who turned the commutator( if that's the right name) and put in new brushes. I put it on the tractor and it turns it over real slow or not at all. New battery, cables, clean mating surface and all connections. I give up! I just ordered a new one from this site for $159
 
(quoted from post at 07:49:12 11/06/13) Would have thought they would have smarter people up there than that. Id still be leary of buying a "NEW" starter from anyone, probably some China made junk. If it were me, Id look for a used one and have it rebuilt.
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Fortunately the new foreign made starters can still be repaired with the Delco replacement parts. Sometimes you have to be a bit creative with the bushings since they may be different but so far other Delco bushings can be substituted. Usually the fasteners are metric.
 
Well since this is a 6 volt system. If the cables are not as big as your thumb inside the insulation it would not start with a new starter probably. If it has been converted the cables can be smaller. So starter might not be your problem but the cables. This has been discussed to no end in the past.
 
I was going to order a New starter for mt 450. I found out after talking to them that it is a misprint and is really a rebuilt starter.I changed my mind.
 
(quoted from post at 11:24:34 11/07/13) I was going to order a New starter for mt 450. I found out after talking to them that it is a misprint and is really a rebuilt starter.I changed my mind.
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If it was a rebuilt Delco Remy I would take that over a new after market starter.
 
well, I can't speak for everyone, but my preference is to find and buy a decent used one.......working or not doesn't matter. I have a VERY good gen/starter guy near me that rebuilds for $50 + parts (which usually run about $15). You end up with a real deal, and correctly done. My opinion, your mileage may vary.
 
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