Field cultivator vs super m

Zac Martin · May 11, 2013

Guys

I was wondering if my super m would be able to pull a field cultivator. I have an Ih 45 vibra shank that is 18 foot wide but I was going to try it with the wings up which would make it 14 foot. Also wondering if duals would be the way to go or if singles would be sufficient. The field I"m working is flat Midwest creek bottom. Any and all input is appreciated.

Thanks

Allan in NE · May 12, 2013

Oh, heck no.

I thought I could run one with my 686. Wouldn't even begin to pull it. Had to swap in the 966.

Allan

Brendon-KS · May 12, 2013

Our club has a Krause field cultivator that we removed the wings on to get it down to 11' and I have pulled it successfully with my 350. It has sweeps and is run an inch or two deep which is typical for field cultivators in this area. Any deeper and I wouldn't have been able to pull it.

robgIN · May 12, 2013

you will have to do it without the wings and maybe remove some shanks to get it down to about 11 or 12 feet to be able to reasonably pull it, and yes duals will be very helpful or you will be able to tell where the wheels ran behind it. We used to pull a vibra shank field cultivator with sweeps behind our SMTA in northeast IN for many years, we ran duals and had a few shanks removed to make it about 12 ft, and usually had a harrow and or cultipacker behind it also. It gave the SMTA all it wanted in 3rd gear, sometimes had to run 2nd.

sflem849 · May 12, 2013

That would certainly be a load, but it could do it.

Anonymous-0 · May 12, 2013

Depends on how deep you run the field cultivator. Some people want to use them as a chisel plow. If you run them as a normal field cultivator you should be able to pull 14' fine. I use to pull a 14' cultivator and 14' Krause disk with a Super M with duals, and it did just fine.

LonM · May 12, 2013

We have pulled a 15 foot no. 45 vibrashank with 100 hp, dualed up with 18.4-34s at about 4.5 mph. Things work better pulling smaller implements faster, versus loading the tractor down and creeping along.

Greg K · May 12, 2013

Tried pulling one with a Ford 6000 commander that was 12" wide IIRC. The ground had been plowed and it lugged a 65 horse tractor down. It may work, but depends on a few other things.

rustyfarmall · May 12, 2013

(quoted from post at 21:05:37 05/11/13) Guys

I was wondering if my super m would be able to pull a field cultivator. I have an Ih 45 vibra shank that is 18 foot wide but I was going to try it with the wings up which would make it 14 foot. Also wondering if duals would be the way to go or if singles would be sufficient. The field I"m working is flat Midwest creek bottom. Any and all input is appreciated.

Thanks

Really? You are just joking aren't you?

sflem849 · May 12, 2013

KSU Machinery Caculator says it is within reality:
Assumptions...
SM in 3rd gear (Tractordata said 5 mph Close enough for me)
28 shanks on an 14 foot digger (I have a Glencoe 11' (folded) and it has 21 shanks)
Digger will be ran in folded position
Soft soil (I doubt we are doing single pass on sb stubble. One could also assume you are not knocking down chisel plow/mb. When farming in 1953 that is what a disc or double discing is for)

Here is the link:
http://www.bae.ksu.edu/precisionag/index_files/Page832.htm
You can spend a lot of time on there. :lol: There is also an android app for those who need the info on the go.

Field Cultivator
Primary tillage tool - 52 drawbar hp
Secondary tillage tool - 38 drawbar hp

3-16s @ 8" in 2nd gear will require 42 drawbar hp so it can't be too far off. To shake it up in 3rd you need 72 drawbar hp. Plow like a girl at 6" and you only need 55 hp. :lol:

cushman · May 12, 2013

I pulled an 18' ,with the wings down, back in the 1970s with an oliver 990,and it was a load for it in 4th gear.

todd hamilton · May 12, 2013

he best have a lot of weights on the front end if he's gonna try it

Mark-Mi · May 12, 2013

Yes your super M should be able to pull it.
Down the road.

mattwillson · May 12, 2013

Give her a whirl and see, i was called a liar saying I pull a 12 foot wheel disc with my M in 3rd gear. Nobody asked what she dyno d or whether or not she s dualed up either. my 2 cents, not tryin to start a battle with you.

Super H Mike · May 12, 2013

Wow that will be a load for it, let us know how it goes. You say its flat which will help, but I still dont think it will do well. I wouldnt subject my SM to that anyhow. I pulled a similar one with a 65 horse diesel and I thought that was even a little undersized tractor. But, I had some hills and clay too.

LMack · May 12, 2013

At the end of the day if the slower moving implement has covered the same ground as the fast implement I would prefer the slow mover. My hours on a moving tractor are relatively few compared to some, but my back suffers from those hours. The faster you move the more it beats you up. It may not seem like much at a young age but you will know it when you reach the 60's and beyond ergonomics notwithstanding.

mkirsch · May 13, 2013

Implements like a field cultivator need to be moving at a certain speed in order to work properly.

If you move too slowly, the clods just roll between the tines, leaving you with a lumpy seedbed.

When you get the cultivator moving at 4-5 MPH, the tines vibrate and hit the clods with some force, breaking them up.

Rootsy · May 13, 2013

(quoted from post at 00:05:37 05/12/13) Guys

I was wondering if my super m would be able to pull a field cultivator. I have an Ih 45 vibra shank that is 18 foot wide but I was going to try it with the wings up which would make it 14 foot. Also wondering if duals would be the way to go or if singles would be sufficient. The field I"m working is flat Midwest creek bottom. Any and all input is appreciated.

Thanks

My 560 Diesel pulled one through tough ground for a long time. Only a 12 footer though. She wore a lot of weights and had the fuel screwed to her.

LonM · May 13, 2013

I agree with you as far as that goes. Extra bouncing around is hard on my back too. What I had in mind was how it puts less strain on the drivetrain to pull a lighter load at 4-5 mph versus trying to pull an excessively large implement that the tractor couldn't handle unless it was running at 1-2 mph, which I think would be the case with a 14 foot digger on a super M.

big a · May 14, 2013

Pulled a 18' 45 Vibrashank over a lot of acres behind an 826, and at times that was ALL it wanted. Don't think anything less would have much of a chance.

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