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scotc · Mar 9, 2013

I remember someone on here a while back said they used TSC oil in their 806(I think) and took out a new hydraulic pump, and when the new oil was tested it came back as "depleted". Anyone remember the post or who it was? I'm being called a liar on the JD board.

sd pete · Mar 9, 2013

I have used TSC hydraulic oil and never wrecked anything.

CNKS · Mar 9, 2013

If it was compatible with Hytran, any damage, if any, would be gradual not all at once. Sounds to me like the pump was defective. Several insist that the best oil for IH tractors is Hytran, but by the time an aftermarket oil takes out a pump the pump is no longer new but likely several years old.

Zachary Hoyt · Mar 9, 2013

I use TSCs cheaper brand of hytran-like oil and have had no problems so far.
Zach

IAtractorKid · Mar 9, 2013

I dont remember the details but I do remember the post you are referring to.

Personally I use the cheap stuff, if it says Hytran compatible, its good enough for me.

DoubleR · Mar 10, 2013

TSC sells two different brands in my area. I use the better brand thats a couple dollars more. It meets the spec. for my uses. Never had any problems with it.
I have seen where people start to have problems so the first thing they do is change the oil. Then when the problem escalates they blame it on the oil when in fact the problem was already there before the oil change.

pete 23 · Mar 10, 2013

I think the truth lies some where in between oil problem and some other problem. Those same hydraulic pumps worked for years with engine oil or plain hydraulic oil. Where the problem lies is Hy-Tran means, hydraulics and transmission. A good hydraulic oil may not have anywhere near the additives needed for the transmission and final drive. Another thing you have to remember, any one can put lettering on a can of oil that says it meets someone else's specs, BUT to mean anything it has to have the API insignia on the can to show it has been tested to meet specs. Some distributors do no pay to have the tests done is my understanding.

dej(Jed) · Mar 12, 2013

(quoted from post at 10:44:17 03/10/13) I think the truth lies some where in between oil problem and some other problem. Those same hydraulic pumps worked for years with engine oil or plain hydraulic oil. Where the problem lies is Hy-Tran means, hydraulics and transmission. A good hydraulic oil may not have anywhere near the additives needed for the transmission and final drive. Another thing you have to remember, any one can put lettering on a can of oil that says it meets someone else's specs, BUT to mean anything it has to have the API insignia on the can to show it has been tested to meet specs. Some distributors do no pay to have the tests done is my understanding.

Don't get caught up in the API classification BS. They don't test all oils.
They barely test about 6% of all of the registered motor oils in the world and hydraulics aren't even on the list. I ran the testing program for a number of years. All the logo means is that they filed it with the API. Heck they even counterfit the Logo.

scotc · Mar 13, 2013

Yeah guys, this was a new hydraulic pump, filled with new TSC fluid, and the hydraulic pump didn't last a couple hundred hours even. Can't remember who it was or just how long though.

A former neighbor's kid came up and got some hy-tran from us when their (2955 I think) JD needed topped off (15+ years ago). The PTO went out of it a few days later and the dealer blamed it on the hy-tran. Yet our Case dealer here says that hy-guard will not hurt the IH and CIH hydraulics and transmissions.

After our experience with having to drain the backhoe and replace most of the hoses after using Pitt-Penn hydraulic oil, I stick to name brand oils unless I don't need a whole lot, or it will just leak right back out anyhow.,

Jim Naden · Mar 13, 2013

(quoted from post at 22:10:04 03/12/13) Yeah guys, this was a new hydraulic pump, filled with new TSC fluid, and the hydraulic pump didn't last a couple hundred hours even. Can't remember who it was or just how long though.

A former neighbor's kid came up and got some hy-tran from us when their (2955 I think) JD needed topped off (15+ years ago). The PTO went out of it a few days later and the dealer blamed it on the hy-tran. Yet our Case dealer here says that hy-guard will not hurt the IH and CIH hydraulics and transmissions.

After our experience with having to drain the backhoe and replace most of the hoses after using Pitt-Penn hydraulic oil, I stick to name brand oils unless I don't need a whole lot, or it will just leak right back out anyhow.,

The water absorbing characteristic of hy-tran can cause the facings in a John Deere perma clutch to separate, eventually. The simple addition of hy-tran would not cause a failure in a matter of days. First, the oil would need to absorb water, even then it would take quite a while to de-bond the clutch facing material.

pete 23 · Mar 15, 2013

Well, that is good to know.

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