A Starter Puzzle

SuperABen

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My A has not run in nearly three months. There's a long story there as to why a Farmall tractor lover can't find time to go out and start his A, and part of that includes the reason why I have not taken time to rectify the original problem!

It was originally parked to repair some faulty wiring. The previous owner replaced the generator (6v with relay) to a newer version, still 6v, with a 3 terminal regulator. Somewhere along the way the wiring had been replaced to modify a relay system to a 3 terminal regulator system.

I restored the tractor about a year ago. The engine on this A is perfect mechanically, so I did not perform a rebuild, only a paint job.

~New (previous owner) 6v generator, remake
~New (previous owner) 3 terminal regulator
~Original 4 position light switch
~Original H-4 Magneto
~New (previous owner) wiring to match regulator

After a few months, I noticed the generator was not charging. In the process, I noticed that someone had stacked the "L" load wire on the regulator onto the "Bat" terminal. This was fixed, but when I tested the generator again (engine running) I found that it had no charge. I assume the wiring either burned the regulator or the relay; I have not confirmed that exactly yet.

The next day I went to start the tractor to try another test, but the battery was discharged down to 4 volts. I do have a 12 volt jump start which I have used in the past, so I tried that. Surprisingly, the starter only engaged the flywheel slightly then stopped. I had an extra starter, but it also did, and does, the same thing when hooked up to the tractor. Normally, my 12v jump start will easily spin the engine; it still works fine for my Super A, which incidentally needs more amps to spin than the A.

I have also bypassed the starter switch by jumping to the starter case and the copper terminal, with the same results. Lately, I have tried my 12v jump start straight to the starter, with the generator and 6v completely disconnected, and I still get the same problem.

Obviously, something has gone awry to discharge my battery to 4v overnight, as well as keep my 12v from easily spinning both starters. I also think it is not a starter issue, since both starters have the same problem on this tractor. I hooked up my multimeter and noticed that the jump start discharges down to .5 volts when trying the starter. This may be normal for a 6v, but I would think a 12v would not discharge so low... but I also don't claim to be a electrician!

The only other thing which might cause trouble is a wire I hooked up to ground the kill switch; the switch used to ground itself through me when I shut off the tractor! I attached one end to the knob and one end to the tractor frame. Could this cause trouble, even though I have had this attached for a year with no problem?

Has anyone seen a starter issue like this before? I admit to being stumped! My current solution is coming this week-- a hand crank!
 
#1 NEVER hook a 12 volt ny thing to a 6 volt battery or it might be the last thing you ever see again. Reason is a 6 volt battery can/will explode in your face and if that happens the acid in your eyes will blind you for life.
So then now that I have said that. Pull the plugs out and try your jump start box right to the starter. Does it spin it over this time?? If no then can you turn the engine over by hand?? If may have sat and locked up on you. If it spins freely that way did it shoot a bunch of junk out of the plug holes?? If it did then you found out why it would not spin over because of a hyd lock
 
Simple test with engine running check the voltage on the A terminal of the gen if it doesent read 6 pluss volts ground the field terminal on the gen. If that shows 6pluss volts on the A terminal the reg is bad. If there is no voltage on the A term the gen is bad. If you need a new regu;ator check the Delco Remy# on the genny to get the correct reg Your gen should be a Delco 1101355 or 1101423 but after all the yrs hard to tell what is there now and a trip to a genny shop is in order.
 
Your kill switch has nothing to do with your engine not cranking. Use your hand crank to see if your engine is stuck. If you can't hand crank
the engine pull all the sparkplugs and try the hand crank. Could be water on top of the pistons as been mentioned. Hal
 
sounds like your jump starter is weak,a sick 12 volt battery will spin a SA,as mentioned before make sure your engine will turn over using a hand crank to make sure something else isn't the problem
 
Thanks to everyone for their comments. I purchased a hand crank, and the engine fired right up.

Obviously, the two starters have troubles of their own. The 12v jump starter does work fine on my other tractors. Like I said before, I'm no electrician by any means. What would cause a starter to be able to turn over without a load, but not have enough power to crank the engine?
 
(quoted from post at 08:37:07 05/07/12) Your kill switch has nothing to do with your engine not cranking. Use your hand crank to see if your engine is stuck. If you can't hand crank
the engine pull all the sparkplugs and try the hand crank. Could be water on top of the pistons as been mentioned. Hal

Who needs a hand crank to see if she is tied up... Just put side tension on the belt and grab the fan (with no juice to the distributor or the mag grounded, of course). Should turn over easily.
 

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