Starter drives,Older,spring style or rubber cushioned new?

mike1972chev · May 4, 2012

Hey guys,

Starter let go on my Super M(3 bolt starter,gas.) yesterday.Broke the starter drive after 11 years of service that I owned it.Actually broke the spring on the drive.(Damn junk,after 50+ years of service,it went out!!!!!!!! lol)

Jim Nicholson turned me on to an updated starter drive.It has a rubber cushion and a ratchet drive.( I have GREAT faith in Jim. He has an AWESOME "kill ratio" on advise on repair work in my book!!!!! In my "top 10" in advise giving !!!)

But,of course,someone on line is "dissing" the new style.They like the OLD ones.

Who out there has any "pros" or "cons" for or against the starter drives available to me????

CNKS · May 4, 2012

Just read your earlier post, the answers shot down my response so I deleted it.

pete 23 · May 4, 2012

I like the new ones, have put on several over the years. Did have two sticky ones that would not spin out and engage. I tried freeing up the splines but had to give up, warranty took care of them. They engage much more gently thus not so tough on gears. The small tractors like the super c was actually the most improved by using this new drive for my opinion as they tore up a lot of ring gears.

mike1972chev · May 4, 2012

I STILL got the tag off of my Delco.I think it IS available,(Unless the "web" info is "jacked up" like it could,well be???)It checks out.

Yea,you can STILL just buy a replacement spring,if yu wanna???

As usuall,I am just trying to build the BEST starter possible here.

BTW,The starter is in G R E A T shape internally,other than that!!!!! The starter does hit HARD when engageing. Always has. (12 volt conversion)

mike1972chev · May 4, 2012

My ring gear is SLIGHTLY rough,but NOT bad.It looks WAY usable!!!

I just have the opportunity to either use the newer one OR the older style.

I bet this is: "6 of one,half dozen of the other" situation here????

Janicholson · May 4, 2012

There are 4 distinct advantages to the new drive in my opinion. All starter energy was directed through the helical spring of the old drive. None is driven through a metalic spring on the new.
The old drives often wore out internally and jamb into the gear teeth locking the starter, and engine. The new drives have no reputation to do so, they seem to cure and work well on pretty bad ring gears. They also have a cushon internally reducing the shock losding on teeth (both ring and pinion).
The drive bolts holding the drive spring in the old style are also prone to shear, or loosen.
There are none on the new style.
The old style has been in service for 4o or more years in some cases, and can"t be faulted. Many other starters fail dramatically more often. Jim

mike1972chev · May 4, 2012

Thanks Jim.ALWAYS!!!!

I will say this:When I took mine apart tonight,I couls see where the set bolt AND the key way were making their wat THRU the armature shaft due to "SHOCK LOADING" while engaging.I had to file down the shaft to remove the center support bushing from the shaft!

MAN!!! Thes old "beast" have put up with A LOT of use over the years !!!!!!! Like my buddy told me: "Hey,they were OVER engineered and UNDER used in their lifetime"!!! quote,unquote!!! lol

ANY!!!! of the M series,an M1 Garand,A 580 Case Back Hoe,An Anvil,A Barlow knife,Stock holding in any of the Howard Hughes corperations.MONEY BABY!!!!

My barometers of the TRUE test of time !!!!

Owen Aaland · May 5, 2012

Like Pete, I have had a couple of the newer style drives lock up in the extended position. They were drives that my normal supplied substituted when the ones they normally sold were on back order. They were made in China. The US built ones I normally get have never given me any problems.

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