Whats the deal with a 4 spoke 20 steering Wheel?? Farmall M

mike1972chev · Apr 19, 2012

I see these 20" 4 spoke wheels advertised for Ms. I thought they were all 3 spoke and a little smaller in diameter than these??? Were these meant for ANOTHER IH tractor????

rustyfarmall · Apr 19, 2012

(quoted from post at 08:27:19 04/19/12) I see these 20" 4 spoke wheels advertised for Ms. I thought they were all 3 spoke and a little smaller in diameter than these??? Were these meant for ANOTHER IH tractor????

The M and the H use the 18 inch diameter, 3 spoke steering wheel. The 20 inch diameter, 4 spoke steering wheel was used maybe on the W9? But I think it was optional as well for the M and the H.

Did you know that the EARLY M and H came with a steering wheel totally different from the 3 spoke affair most of us think of as being standard?

It was still a 3 spoke, 18 inch, but was a covered steering wheel, very similar to what you might find on a truck of that era.

D Slater · Apr 19, 2012

First on some W series tractors and then IH offered it for purchase to put on some farmalls for more steering leverage.

DeltaRed · Apr 19, 2012

They were put on later for a little more leverage when you had a heavy frontend load.I have an M with a heavy front cultivator.the big wheel helps.

Andrew Z · Apr 19, 2012

I read somewhere as others said used on the W series, also an option from factory on the MD, Super MD, 400D and 450D without powersteering.

Andrew

D Slater · Apr 20, 2012

Small point, but it was the later SW6TA that used the wheel. There was a atachment number that they could be ordered on a 400 or sold as parts. This started before power steering could be had on a 400 from IH.

mike1972chev · Apr 20, 2012

Really???? Learn something new every day.

Do you have a picture of that early steering wheel???

I know 1939 Ms have ALOT of unusual stuff on them. They kinda fascinate me a little.I wished I owned a 39 with all the original options on it,but I got way to many "toys" as it is !lol

D Slater · Apr 21, 2012

Can't find anything showing this type steering wheel around from IH until SW6TA tractors during the 1954 year.
Also a option on SWD9 and standard on 600 and 650. W 400 used a different 20 inch steering wheel.

Mark Peters · Apr 21, 2012

(quoted from post at 12:28:38 04/19/12)

(quoted from post at 08:27:19 04/19/12) I see these 20" 4 spoke wheels advertised for Ms. I thought they were all 3 spoke and a little smaller in diameter than these??? Were these meant for ANOTHER IH tractor????

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The M and the H use the 18 inch diameter, 3 spoke steering wheel. The 20 inch diameter, 4 spoke steering wheel was used maybe on the W9? But I think it was optional as well for the M and the H.

Did you know that the EARLY M and H came with a steering wheel totally different from the 3 spoke affair most of us think of as being standard?

It was still a 3 spoke, 18 inch, but was a covered steering wheel, very similar to what you might find on a truck of that era.

I have an early 39 A that has a 2 spoke steering wheel that was covered , but some of the rubber is missing from the center. I don`t know how many were produced this way, but you see them this way in early advertising.

rustyfarmall · Apr 21, 2012

(quoted from post at 13:06:23 04/21/12)

(quoted from post at 12:28:38 04/19/12)

(quoted from post at 08:27:19 04/19/12) I see these 20" 4 spoke wheels advertised for Ms. I thought they were all 3 spoke and a little smaller in diameter than these??? Were these meant for ANOTHER IH tractor????

Click to expand...

The M and the H use the 18 inch diameter, 3 spoke steering wheel. The 20 inch diameter, 4 spoke steering wheel was used maybe on the W9? But I think it was optional as well for the M and the H.

Did you know that the EARLY M and H came with a steering wheel totally different from the 3 spoke affair most of us think of as being standard?

It was still a 3 spoke, 18 inch, but was a covered steering wheel, very similar to what you might find on a truck of that era.

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I have an early 39 A that has a 2 spoke steering wheel that was covered , but some of the rubber is missing from the center. I don`t know how many were produced this way, but you see them this way in early advertising.

I know the early As and Bs had a covered steering wheel but I thought it was a 3 spoke? I know the 3 spoke, 16 inch diameter, covered wheel is being reproduced. I guess I've never seen the 2 spoke version.

Mark Peters · Apr 21, 2012

I know the early As and Bs had a covered steering wheel but I thought it was a 3 spoke? I know the 3 spoke, 16 inch diameter, covered wheel is being reproduced. I guess I've never seen the 2 spoke version.[/quote]ttps://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv41/IHMark/DSCN0997.jpg[/img]

D Slater · Apr 21, 2012

Mike this is a pic of a early H or M steering wheel. Can't confirm when it stopped being used. They made it into 1940 and longer than the slot transmission top on some tractors. Both types of wheels were showing up in 1940. War years would have stopped them if any made it that late.
Don't know if the early steering wheels are still made, but at one time most aftermarket steering wheels were made much like the early steering wheels instead of the bare spoke type commonly sold now.

sflem849 · Apr 21, 2012

Take a look at the black lights on Slater's picture. Hmm

mike1972chev · Apr 21, 2012

Never seen a shift knob like that on either! Looks like it is off of an 8 N Ford.

mike1972chev · Apr 21, 2012

Is it plastic,or is it the steel "war knob" I see for sale on ocasion???

sflem849 · Apr 22, 2012

(quoted from post at 20:16:50 04/21/12) Is it plastic,or is it the steel "war knob" I see for sale on ocasion???

Not steel, they are more like a rain drop shape. Pretty much the same as the rubber ones.

It almost likes like their plastic. What was it called??? Something lite IIRC.

Mark Peters · Apr 22, 2012

(quoted from post at 08:34:48 04/22/12)

(quoted from post at 20:16:50 04/21/12) Is it plastic,or is it the steel "war knob" I see for sale on ocasion???

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Not steel, they are more like a rain drop shape. Pretty much the same as the rubber ones.

It almost likes like their plastic. What was it called??? Something lite IIRC.

You thinking of bakelite ?

sflem849 · Apr 22, 2012

(quoted from post at 06:05:40 04/22/12)
You thinking of bakelite ?

Yes.

D Slater · Apr 22, 2012

Thats a threaded shift lever and knob.

sflem849 · Apr 22, 2012

Thats a threaded shift lever and knob.[/quote]

Was that an early tractor thing? Is it bakelite?

D Slater · Apr 23, 2012

Not sure what the material was called, there was more than one knob used. All I can remember seeing was the remains of the threaded knobs by the time I was old enough to notice. Do remember a area tractor with a screw on knob that was smooth and hard as glass, but don't know if it was original. That tractor had a new shift lever installed in the sixties and they never put a knob on it. Never thought much about stuff like that at the time.

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