rustyfarmall
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For all of you who think the aftermarket brake bands do not fit, I invite you to have a look at these photos, and then tell me the aftermarket bands are NOT made just like the originals.
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Bill in NJ
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I replaced a band on one of our H's last Summer. Had no problems at all. Had to be replaced because the metal band had rusted and broke in half. I do have one question. Why are you replacing the band? It looks to have a good amount of lining left on it
Janicholson
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There appears to be several sources, Some have been long, and not allowed adjustment (an inch cannot be adjusted out!)
If you wrap the band around the good drum, what id the overlap of the centers of the mount tab holes? The thickness also dictates success. What is the new thickness of that great looking identical usable band.
Knowing the overlap and thickness might be a way to assure a purchaser that it will work by having the supplier check. Who made yours? Jim
If you wrap the band around the good drum, what id the overlap of the centers of the mount tab holes? The thickness also dictates success. What is the new thickness of that great looking identical usable band.
Knowing the overlap and thickness might be a way to assure a purchaser that it will work by having the supplier check. Who made yours? Jim
Those don't look like the ones I bought, but that was most of a decade ago, too.
I remember buying a bunch for H's and M's. The ones I received had considerably thicker linings than the originals (I had a NOS one for an M to compare to), and the length of the steel band was considerably longer and was flimsier/thinner than the original. The cover wouldn't fit over the band properly, and they were impossible to adjust correctly. The looped ends were incredibly flimsy. I doubt they would have held that one time you really needed them to. Country of origin was Turkey, IIRC. They weren't worth putting on and once you got them on, they wouldn't work anyway without modification. I sent them all back. I pulled most of the brake bands off my parts machines and haven't run out of good used ones yet. If I do, I'm pretty sure the local clutch shop will reline them.
These do look much better. Let us know if those linings scream like someone's being murdered when the brakes are applied.
AG
I remember buying a bunch for H's and M's. The ones I received had considerably thicker linings than the originals (I had a NOS one for an M to compare to), and the length of the steel band was considerably longer and was flimsier/thinner than the original. The cover wouldn't fit over the band properly, and they were impossible to adjust correctly. The looped ends were incredibly flimsy. I doubt they would have held that one time you really needed them to. Country of origin was Turkey, IIRC. They weren't worth putting on and once you got them on, they wouldn't work anyway without modification. I sent them all back. I pulled most of the brake bands off my parts machines and haven't run out of good used ones yet. If I do, I'm pretty sure the local clutch shop will reline them.
These do look much better. Let us know if those linings scream like someone's being murdered when the brakes are applied.
AG
Anonymous-0
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Hey Rusty, I think my H has the wrong drums on it. The part number on the drum is 8822DA. I think that drum fits a HV s/n 109988-177928.
The two bands I got from Hy-capacity were egg shaped
and when you tried to form them around the drum
lining pulled away from the band. Had another I got
for a guy but can't remember which supplier. I did
use it but it was not great. Egg shaped. My nephew
put one on his M, I did not see it but he said he
had problems with it also.
and when you tried to form them around the drum
lining pulled away from the band. Had another I got
for a guy but can't remember which supplier. I did
use it but it was not great. Egg shaped. My nephew
put one on his M, I did not see it but he said he
had problems with it also.
It is possible, after years of complaints, the aftermarket suppliers have improved their specs. The problem I see is that the aftermarket band has the band rolled around to form the eye on top. The original band had a separate yoke for the eye. The aftermarket eyes rip out if you actually use the brakes to turn the tractor. That never happens with original (70 year old) bands
Greg
Greg
rustyfarmall
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Maybe it is not easy to see in the photos, but that aftermarket band is made exactly like the original.
So, you're calling all the people that have had problems with aftermarket brake bands in the past LIARS and/or incompetents?
Are you saying that manufacturing processes can't be changed?
What are you getting at here?
Frankly, what I see is that some aftermarket manufacturer FINALLY actually LOOKED and MEASURED an OEM brake band and tried to replicate it. Who knows where they got their measurements from in the past?
Now that you're done insulting a whole bunch of people, can you at least tell us where you got this brake band from?
Are you saying that manufacturing processes can't be changed?
What are you getting at here?
Frankly, what I see is that some aftermarket manufacturer FINALLY actually LOOKED and MEASURED an OEM brake band and tried to replicate it. Who knows where they got their measurements from in the past?
Now that you're done insulting a whole bunch of people, can you at least tell us where you got this brake band from?
I see the eye is rolled. Your 'original' might not be as original as what came on the tractors 70 years ago. I could be wrong, but I doubt anyone was making better than OEM brake parts in the '50s, '60s or '70s.
How long is your aftermarket brake band (center to center of the eyes) ? What is the thickness of the band ? Do you guarentee that the three spot welds won't tear out and let the eye open up ?
Being able to buy usefull aftermarket brake bands would be nice.
Greg
How long is your aftermarket brake band (center to center of the eyes) ? What is the thickness of the band ? Do you guarentee that the three spot welds won't tear out and let the eye open up ?
Being able to buy usefull aftermarket brake bands would be nice.
Greg
Anonymous-0
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Like Stemmy , I bought bands for my Super "A" here , and they were a perfect fit , and work well.
rustyfarmall
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Guys, I am not implying that any of you are telling lies, nor am I implying that those of you who HAVE had problems with the bands not fitting were not encountering some genuine problems.
I am only asking you to look at the pictures and then decide for yourself.
For what it's worth, I have brake bands from TWO different sources, and BOTH compare favorably to that original brake band in the picture.
I sincerely doubt that there is more than one place making these brake bands, so that means all the sources with relatively fresh stock should have these more accurate replacements.
This is good news, as I believe I need a brake band for the M&W clutch on my Super M.
This is good news, as I believe I need a brake band for the M&W clutch on my Super M.
(quoted from post at 21:13:58 04/17/12) For all of you who think the aftermarket brake bands do not fit, I invite you to have a look at these photos, and then tell me the aftermarket bands are NOT made just like the originals.
The metal band was a gold color on mine, but they looked to be a close match to the original, too. I circled the problem area in my attached pic. They "bowed" out too much in that area so the cover wouldn't fit, and if you tried to adjust any of the bow out, it just went to the bottom of the band, and that would keep the cover from fitting. I could see why posters had been advised in the archives to cut 1/4" out of the band and re-weld it. I had the band attached to the actuating lever, and had to pound it with a block of wood to just test-fit in the cover on the workbench.
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