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Janicholson
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If the engine, electrical, PTO, TA and trans are also very good. and the paint is not on top of grease!! My answer is in the 6 to 7000 range.
If the unit is just a paint job on a tired but running system, No more than 3500. Jim
If the unit is just a paint job on a tired but running system, No more than 3500. Jim
mike1972chev
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I am with Jim on this one.
If it is a BETTER than showroom new,EVERYTHING rebuilt(AND,can proove it!!!)Custom,2 stage paint,NEW rubber,EVERYTHING working,SHOWS IT ONLY!!!! I would pay about $6000.00 for it.(A Super M-TA Diesel will bring this "trashed")
An "average",new paint,GOOD rubber,runs good,EVERYTHING working. Around $3000.00
The ONLY problem will be knowing what actually happened INSIDE all of the drivetrain!!!! You kinda have to "feel out" the ownwer and get details of what really happened? A good owner will be able to proove the history of the machine!!!
If it is a BETTER than showroom new,EVERYTHING rebuilt(AND,can proove it!!!)Custom,2 stage paint,NEW rubber,EVERYTHING working,SHOWS IT ONLY!!!! I would pay about $6000.00 for it.(A Super M-TA Diesel will bring this "trashed")
An "average",new paint,GOOD rubber,runs good,EVERYTHING working. Around $3000.00
The ONLY problem will be knowing what actually happened INSIDE all of the drivetrain!!!! You kinda have to "feel out" the ownwer and get details of what really happened? A good owner will be able to proove the history of the machine!!!
I recently found the receipt for the tires, rims and tubes I put on my M in 2004 when I went through it. 2x 6.50 - 16 fronts, 2X 15.5 - 38 rears, (all Firestone bias), 4 new rims and 4 tubes were $983 from a long time local tire man whose prices could not be beat... He's now passed on. I priced it all through Miller recently and boy did I get sticker shock... One single 15.5 Firestone is just about as much as I paid for everything in 2004...
I added up my receipts just for materials and parts and this tractor was solid to begin with and I was at just a bit more than $4600 in 2004... Since then I've gone through the brakes and some trans seals. I don't even want to add up the costs in 2012 dollars... holy wha...
Mark Peters
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So true !! But I will say that if the tractor has rubber on it befitting a restoration, and if everything is there and working and with good tin, that $3000 sounds a little low to me. I would say more like $3500 -$4000. Like these other guys are saying, the rubber is a HUGE consideration nowadays.
mike1972chev
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I would even agree with this.But for $4000.00 The thing BETTER perform ("worker tractor")CONDITION is EVERYTHING!!!!! Is it complete and mechanically sound??? Rear tires is a NO brainer!(There is $1200.00 + right there!)
There are just alot of things to consider when buying one.
I am sorry but the $10.000 price posted lower down is NOT sane! (That is DIESEL prices there!) If somebody paid that,they had expendable cash and OBVIOUSLY not a clue what I could have bought him one for!Was it #501 serial # or something?? A diesel??? Ridden by Cyrus McCormick himself???? It AINT no Rolls Royce.
I live in Indiana,EVEN though it WAS 10 years ago,I passed up on 3 SM TAs to get to my Super M.All 3 were within about 150 mile radius of each other.(I DID NOT want a TA.It IS nice,BUT mostly a novelty/collector thing these days.(For what I do,the TA was a mute point!)
The prices were ALL about $1000.00 more than what the Super Ms were going for!!!!
The GAS version of the Super M TA is NOT that rare!
There are just alot of things to consider when buying one.
I am sorry but the $10.000 price posted lower down is NOT sane! (That is DIESEL prices there!) If somebody paid that,they had expendable cash and OBVIOUSLY not a clue what I could have bought him one for!Was it #501 serial # or something?? A diesel??? Ridden by Cyrus McCormick himself???? It AINT no Rolls Royce.
I live in Indiana,EVEN though it WAS 10 years ago,I passed up on 3 SM TAs to get to my Super M.All 3 were within about 150 mile radius of each other.(I DID NOT want a TA.It IS nice,BUT mostly a novelty/collector thing these days.(For what I do,the TA was a mute point!)
The prices were ALL about $1000.00 more than what the Super Ms were going for!!!!
The GAS version of the Super M TA is NOT that rare!
mike1972chev
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Well,I guess I am a little tired of getting the F*CK kicked out of me on here,so right now I AM LOOKING AT 3 SUPER M TAs for under $7000.00(Ranging from $5500.00 to $6800.00)These are nice tractors,NOT over the top.HAVE NOT SEEN THEM IN PERSON!
Auctions like those are what might be responsible for setting the bar too high!!!! People see a 2 stage paint job,100 hrs or less original on Barrette Jackson actually GO for $10,000.00, and all the sudden theirs with the manure scoop on it in the barn lot with a flat tire is worth that too,I guess?????
Granted,they ARE NOT concourse "OVERLY restored".(I guess the term "restored" woud have to be defined??? ) Maybee location has SOMETHING to do with it??? A STANDARD Super M TA is NOT that rare!!!!! The diesel is.A High crop is.Serial # 501 IS!!!!! The prototype is!
Buying a tractor is hard to describe in a forum "blog".But some are just worth more than others.
I have seen MANY an MTA go for about $1500.00 over the regular Super M. The TA is more of a "novelty item/collector thing" these days.I passed up on 3 of them to get to my Super M,but I am talking about a working tractor.(NOT a "shower"!)That torque had NO benefits to what I was doing.
I would love to see that photo of that $10,000.00 M TA????
And BTW,YES you can get good money for the diesels in BAD condition,but the engine will financially ruin you!
I am ready for my verbal "beating" NOW!
Auctions like those are what might be responsible for setting the bar too high!!!! People see a 2 stage paint job,100 hrs or less original on Barrette Jackson actually GO for $10,000.00, and all the sudden theirs with the manure scoop on it in the barn lot with a flat tire is worth that too,I guess?????
Granted,they ARE NOT concourse "OVERLY restored".(I guess the term "restored" woud have to be defined??? ) Maybee location has SOMETHING to do with it??? A STANDARD Super M TA is NOT that rare!!!!! The diesel is.A High crop is.Serial # 501 IS!!!!! The prototype is!
Buying a tractor is hard to describe in a forum "blog".But some are just worth more than others.
I have seen MANY an MTA go for about $1500.00 over the regular Super M. The TA is more of a "novelty item/collector thing" these days.I passed up on 3 of them to get to my Super M,but I am talking about a working tractor.(NOT a "shower"!)That torque had NO benefits to what I was doing.
I would love to see that photo of that $10,000.00 M TA????
And BTW,YES you can get good money for the diesels in BAD condition,but the engine will financially ruin you!
I am ready for my verbal "beating" NOW!
mike1972chev
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I watched a "needed" restored M TA diesel go for around $7000.00 the other day!
Yea,NO WAY on $10,000.00 on a RESTORED diesel !!!!
Yea,NO WAY on $10,000.00 on a RESTORED diesel !!!!
Denny ('60 Lo-Boy)
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mike1972chev
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THAT is what I am saying!!!!
They are out there,but not as much these days.A good worker tractor is worth that!!!!(minimum!)
We all know the details: new/good rear tires,taken care of,good sheet metal,ect,ect,ect!
Another "change over " item is the fact of alot the guys who bought them brand new are just now selling them off(Or,their family's estate is???)
ALOT of the M series I looked at were 1st generation farmer's selling them off.(OR their sons were) They had some great storys to tell me about them back in the day!
BTW,sorry about being crappy this evening! Ex girlfriend keeps calling!!! lol
They are out there,but not as much these days.A good worker tractor is worth that!!!!(minimum!)
We all know the details: new/good rear tires,taken care of,good sheet metal,ect,ect,ect!
Another "change over " item is the fact of alot the guys who bought them brand new are just now selling them off(Or,their family's estate is???)
ALOT of the M series I looked at were 1st generation farmer's selling them off.(OR their sons were) They had some great storys to tell me about them back in the day!
BTW,sorry about being crappy this evening!
Ex girlfriend keeps calling!!! lolmike1972chev
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Not all of them.Just certain ones. I wanna see that $10,000.00 one in person.
mike1972chev
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That is some TINY "faunt" you got goin there my friend! lol
mike1972chev
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$4000.00 is The LOWEST starting spot,I guess???
I guess times are a changing? 10 years ago prices were about in the $3800.00 price range around me.
I am WAY to "mouthy" tonight! Apologizing :NOW!
I guess times are a changing? 10 years ago prices were about in the $3800.00 price range around me.
I am WAY to "mouthy" tonight! Apologizing :NOW!
mike1972chev
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You talking to me???
I will share photos
I will share photos
mike1972chev
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Can we see it???
mike1972chev
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What are you expecting to get OUT of it???
I saw a $9600 or $9700 plus $300 buyers fee. Pretty close to 10k if you ask me. It was a NICE SMTA, but I don't think any of them are worth 10. This one was pretty tricked out with PS and 2 way etc.
Come to Walworth, WI in a few weeks and you will see some that go close to 10k. They have a Waterloo Boy at the spring auction this year. That thing will go for the price of a house!!!
mike1972chev
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I dont doubt it Sflem!
I apologize for all the sarcasm on here! (Just havin fun!!!I have TOTALLY "rambled" AND "highjacked" this post!!!!!
So,Trying to answer the ORIGINAl question.Would we say price range for a standard gas M TA would be STARTING at about $3800.00 ON UP!!!!
The REAL expensive ones would have to be more details involved,I guess??(Perfect metal,perfect paint,completely dis assembled,transmission,final drive went completely thru,ALL numbers matching,MAYBE a serial # in the range of the first day of assembly?(I will not even mention brand new Goodyear diamond tires on it!!!!lol) A tractor that is WAY overly restored! I could see THIS putting one in the $10,000.00 range maybe???)
BTW,does this make that Diesel Hi crop M TA with the incorrect parts on engine and missing parts on EBAY ACTUALLY worth $11,000.00 now????? It is WAY more rare than a Standard gas M TA????
It will also cost a TON of money to make that one correct!!!!
And is it also correct to say one usually DOES NOT EVER get the money back out of them that they put into them????(I am not talking about the maintenance stuff,I am talking about the restoration parts,paint,decals,correct headlights,rare accesories,labor,ect.)
I DO get upset for prices being established by the one fact that one person wants to OVERpay for something at a big,national auction,just to get it because he likes to"throw" money around because he can! Now the rest of us can say"Well it must be what they are worth,I saw one go thru Russo/Steele for that amount last week!!"
Buyer beware!!!(I guess??? )
I apologize for all the sarcasm on here! (Just havin fun!!!
I have TOTALLY "rambled" AND "highjacked" this post!!!!!So,Trying to answer the ORIGINAl question.Would we say price range for a standard gas M TA would be STARTING at about $3800.00 ON UP!!!!
The REAL expensive ones would have to be more details involved,I guess??(Perfect metal,perfect paint,completely dis assembled,transmission,final drive went completely thru,ALL numbers matching,MAYBE a serial # in the range of the first day of assembly?(I will not even mention brand new Goodyear diamond tires on it!!!!lol) A tractor that is WAY overly restored! I could see THIS putting one in the $10,000.00 range maybe???)
BTW,does this make that Diesel Hi crop M TA with the incorrect parts on engine and missing parts on EBAY ACTUALLY worth $11,000.00 now????? It is WAY more rare than a Standard gas M TA????
It will also cost a TON of money to make that one correct!!!!
And is it also correct to say one usually DOES NOT EVER get the money back out of them that they put into them????(I am not talking about the maintenance stuff,I am talking about the restoration parts,paint,decals,correct headlights,rare accesories,labor,ect.)
I DO get upset for prices being established by the one fact that one person wants to OVERpay for something at a big,national auction,just to get it because he likes to"throw" money around because he can! Now the rest of us can say"Well it must be what they are worth,I saw one go thru Russo/Steele for that amount last week!!"
Buyer beware!!!(I guess??? )
mike1972chev
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OOPS,!
I blame all the years of my stupidity on the heavy drinking! lol
I blame all the years of my stupidity on the heavy drinking! lol
mike1972chev
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Yea,I bet!
I dont really know any thing about the prices of the "RARE" stuff???
I dont really know any thing about the prices of the "RARE" stuff???
Not trying to pile on here but as far as a working tractor goes the SMTA is more then just a TA, we're also talking live PTO which would be very desirable IMHO.
The reason SMTAs bring big bucks is they're desirable, they have lowish production numbers and were the last of the M line. The market sets the price. You may not think it's right but it is what it is.
Honestly would love one, I have an SM and like it, that same machine with a TA and a live PTO would be really nice!
K
mike1972chev
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Yea,they are cool.
BUT,if I wanted some tractor with the same features.I can get it in a newer version for a better price.
The thing IS: Everyone now that HAS an M TA just wants to show it like a "prize pony" anyway!!!!("Look at ME!!" lol)
Argue this one kopeck. A Straight up 1954 Super M is W A Y MORE rare than a 1954 Super M TA!
Anyone??? ANYONE??????
Going once,twice!!! ?????
BUT,if I wanted some tractor with the same features.I can get it in a newer version for a better price.
The thing IS: Everyone now that HAS an M TA just wants to show it like a "prize pony" anyway!!!!("Look at ME!!" lol)
Argue this one kopeck. A Straight up 1954 Super M is W A Y MORE rare than a 1954 Super M TA!
Anyone??? ANYONE??????
Going once,twice!!! ?????
mike1972chev
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(BTW,The WHOLE M series is my favorite! I Love the M TAs too!but they were just the end of the letter series.NOT the RAREST of the Farmalls.
The problem with that argument is that the straight Super M was made in more then just 1954, in fact is was made from 1952 - 1954, the Super MTA was only made in 1954.
Going on your logic anything would rare if you only looked at the last year of production. Heck I have a 1947 A, it was the last year of the straight A. I never consider it rare, interesting maybe but not rare.
I'm not trying to argue with you, they do seem to be a prize right now but there is a reason for it.
K
mike1972chev
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I am not trying to argue either,just friendly debate! its all good.
I love the M TAs also,but they were built in a pretty big quantity!A few versions of the M TA s were not,but overall there were many built.My logic with the prices of some of them does not compute with me.I think the people who are leaning to the idea that they ARE worth $10,000.00 are the folks who are trying to SELL/UNLOAD them???
(I own a car that was only 279 of them made,but the value of it is not all that great.)
I love the M TAs also,but they were built in a pretty big quantity!A few versions of the M TA s were not,but overall there were many built.My logic with the prices of some of them does not compute with me.I think the people who are leaning to the idea that they ARE worth $10,000.00 are the folks who are trying to SELL/UNLOAD them???
(I own a car that was only 279 of them made,but the value of it is not all that great.)
You have to admit, there is something "special" about a Super MTA from just looking at it. I knew it when I first saw one over 30 years ago, long before this whole MTA craze started. I knew it before anyone told me what a Super MTA was.
Getting the lines just right, the proportions just right, makes a huge difference in how our brains react to the sight of something. This is why one woman can be "smokin' hot" and the next, not so much, even though they're not all that different-looking.
I've said this before, but the extra few inches that TA section added to the tractor made the tractor "perfect" and it's messing with our brains.
Getting the lines just right, the proportions just right, makes a huge difference in how our brains react to the sight of something. This is why one woman can be "smokin' hot" and the next, not so much, even though they're not all that different-looking.
I've said this before, but the extra few inches that TA section added to the tractor made the tractor "perfect" and it's messing with our brains.
To add to what mkirsch said it's also the fact that the SMTA was the best of the best, the M line didn't get any better then the SMTA. Now we all know that the 400/450 were just a dressed up SMTAs but the fact still remains that the long line of Ms was over with the SMTA.
Honestly, I would trade my SM in a heart beat for an SMTA and it has nothing to do with how collectable they are. The looks, live hydraulics, TA & IPTO, it was a big step forward for IH.
K
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