4 Bar Side Delivery Rake question

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

The 4h club is making great progress on the rake restoration. Most parts are painted and we're starting to re-assemble.

I'll post some pictures when it's done.

I'm wondering if anybody out there knows if these things originally had any kind of markings. Decals, or stenciled wording?

I've asked on implement alley, but haven't gotten anywhere.

Actually just to be clear on exactly what it is, I'll include a "before" picture.

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

saw my post after sending it - not sure if I was too clear that that's a BEFORE picture!

Looks a lot nicer now.

farmallboy15 · Mar 22, 2012

Do you know a model number? It was probably stenciled originally. Try maple hunter decals or ebay.

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

Oddly enough, these things didn't actually have model numbers.

That's part of what makes it so hard to find info.

The official name of it is: Intertantional Harvester 4 bar, enclosed gear, side delivery rake.

I will try maple hunter though and see if there's anything - thanks!

Jim Becker · Mar 22, 2012

Your "before" picture has more paint than the ones we usually had. It probably had the common "McCormick-Deering" decal of the era on the left side of the big angle iron frame.

Maple-Hunter will happily sell you something, no matter what, if anything, it had originally.

TomA in CA · Mar 22, 2012

Where is the after picture?

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

After pictures don't exist yet. Best I can do is a "during" picture.

My son putting a primer coat on.

There's also some hay wagon running gear parts mixed in there.

old · Mar 22, 2012

I have bits and pieces of 2 of those rakes. Common part that brakes and then make them not work is the slider gear that puts it in gear. I know this because that is what is wrong with both of the ones I have. By the way tires are also hard to find and if you find them cost big $$ also BTDT and checked years ago for a set and that was 25 plus years ago and at that time they where over $400 each

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

Are you talking about the cast shift lever? or an internal part?

Somebody donated this rake to our club. I also paid $100 for a similar 3 bar rake for parts - and that came with two brand new tires!

I have broken parts in both areas on both rakes.

The new tires are a little funky looking compared to the originals, but they work - made by... for the life of me I can't remember the name right now - it's a polish company.

Miller tire has 4x36 tires (not the polish ones) - but they're 275.00 per tire.

Pay that for tires and you really should be putting that money towards a more modern rake.

Actually, I am often asked why we're putting so much effort into such an old rake.

Overall this project wouldn't have made a whole lot of financial sense if it weren't for the generosity of others.

And I think it's going to be a real good lesson for the kids to learn about the evolution of equipment.

Best to learn the hard way first so they can gain an appreciation for modern equipment.

We're trying to get a little haying operation going to supply hay for the club's project animals instead of buying it.

old · Mar 22, 2012

The part that is common to have break is inside and is the slide gear that has a Z sort of look to one end of it that is the ractket (sp) part and they like to break in 2 since they have a 1 inch or bigger hole down the center of them. It is the gear that you shift in and out to put the rig in gear. I use the one I have for well over a decade and pulled it behind a B

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

Yes - the rake in this picture has the break you're talking about in that gear.

Instead of trying to swap internal parts, we just took the entire axle assembly off the 3 bar parts rake and we're using that.

They're very similar.

old · Mar 22, 2012

Ya both the ones I have had that problem. I got one that way and the other was ok then one day the gear broke and left me with hay down and no rake to rake it up which was not good

JRSutton · Mar 22, 2012

Great, something ELSE for me to worry about!

: )

kopeck · Mar 22, 2012

(quoted from post at 08:25:49 03/22/12)

The new tires are a little funky looking compared to the originals, but they work - made by... for the life of me I can't remember the name right now - it's a polish company.

Stomil!

I'm not sure there's was any decals on those things, at lest I haven't ever seen anything.

I can't wait to see the finished product, I've never seen one restored. Maybe it will prompt me to do something with mine!

K

old · Mar 22, 2012

Ya now days I have a back up mower and back up rake and a back up baler. That way maybe I can get some hay done be it big rounds to small squares I can get it up and out of the field. Learned the hard way that a guy can not have to many machines when it comes to doing hay

rhtx55 · Mar 22, 2012

If anyone here has an old advertisement or sales brochure it would sure help. I have seen the horse drawn Mccormick hay rakes that had the Mccormick Deering decal on the seat upright bar along with the "double globe" but I have no idea if that was a restorer's idea or iif the rake originally came that way.
I found some operators manuals on fleabay for McCormick enclosed gear 4 bar side delivey rake, one of those might help with your restoration, take a look, and if one looks like yours, I will donate it.

JRSutton · Mar 23, 2012

rhtx55 - I appreciate that!

I actually DO have a copy of the users manual for this rake. Unfortunately, all the pictures in it are hand drawn, and there's no indication of any decals/lettering.

I have seen the seats with the decal - which is exactly what leads me to believe there could have been a decal on the rake itself, since the seats were only an optional add-ons for horse use.

In the instruction manual, the drawings of that seat show no sign of a decal, even thought I know they had them... So obviously they left decals out of the manual.

I'll continue looking. The advertising brochure thought is a good one.

Thanks again to all.

JRSutton · Mar 23, 2012

So true!

old · Mar 23, 2012

Plus I have a tractor for each and every job and a couple spares just in case. Only tractor I do not have is a back up for the one I use to pull my NH850 round baler. I even took an old broke down JD#9 sickle mower out of the junk pile and have it so it should be up and running for this spring but has not been tested as of yet

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