Anonymous-0
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I was thinking about buying an m with a loader on it to work 7 acres, some plowing etc, but i hear they are a gas hog? maybe an h would be cheaper?
Carl
clancy montana
Carl
clancy montana
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bobs old iron
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depending what you land is like to use a lighter style, is gas that important compared to repairs/downtime if that happens...lot of tractors are going to use a lot gas when laboring...
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If you look at the Nebraska tractor test, you will find that the M was more fuel efficient than the H in terms of hp-hrs/gal. A lot of people just look at the gallons per hour when comparing fuel economy but that doesn't paint the whole picture at all. Of course the M will burn more fuel per hour at full load because it is doing a lot more work. The Nebraska tests also include a varying load belt test where the tractor is loaded to different levels then all the results averaged. This would give a good indication of how the tractor performs in the real world. Here again the M had a better fuel economy measurement than the H.
For reference, I am comparing test #333 for the H and #328 for the M.
For reference, I am comparing test #333 for the H and #328 for the M.
With only 7 acres, I would be looking at where your priorities are. What are you going to be using the tractor for the most? As a loader tractor, there are much better choices than an M. Same goes for mowing and many other uses around a small acreage like that. If you also want it as a "collectable" for parades, to restore, etc. but still use it, they are simpler to work on than a lot of the newer tractors and parts are plentiful.
Want to move that Montana snow? Get something with better, more modern live hydraulics and power steering for a loader.
Want to move that Montana snow? Get something with better, more modern live hydraulics and power steering for a loader.
mike1972chev
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What are we loading mostly????
Like comments below,I might like a more "modern" tractor with a "shuttle" shift/auto transmission for loading???
I worked a 580 Case backhoe loader bucket for years all day long and without that foreward/reverse shuttle it would have taken TWICE as long(OR LONGER??) fiddling around with a gearshift like is on an M tractor!
Dont get me wrong,I LOVE my Super,but would NEVER consider it for a loader tractor ever!
Like comments below,I might like a more "modern" tractor with a "shuttle" shift/auto transmission for loading???
I worked a 580 Case backhoe loader bucket for years all day long and without that foreward/reverse shuttle it would have taken TWICE as long(OR LONGER??) fiddling around with a gearshift like is on an M tractor!
Dont get me wrong,I LOVE my Super,but would NEVER consider it for a loader tractor ever!
Allan in NE
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Carl,
The H hasn't enough balls. Get the M.
Allan
The H hasn't enough balls. Get the M.
Allan
Anonymous-0
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Our first loader tractor was a 300U without power steering. Same five speed as your Super M, it would wear a man out cleaning a tromp shed.
An M is really more tractor than you need on 7 acres. If you can do without the loader, look at a Super A or a 140. If you really need a loader, I'd go for a more modern tractor with power steering. If you want an IH, take a look at a 424, 444, 454. They are as much HP as an M and much more suited to working a samll acreage and with power steering would be OK for a loader. You might even find one already equipped with a loader. This series also will have 3 point hitch and will handle a 6 ft bush hog and a 2 bottom plow with no problem.
Nebraska Cowman
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I think I'd be happy with an H
earlschieb
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Comical, Allan, guess you better tell that H I have in my garage that 7 acres is to much for it. Especially, since it was an ONLY tractor that farmed near 250 acres for 2 decades.
Id agree with Cowman, the H would suite your task well. If you just tying to play around and have a hobby farm the H is a great choice easy to run and service. I have both a Super MD with a loader and an H (also had 2 Super C's with them) and both are good in their own respects. I use my H in the woods to pull logs etc, the Super MD sees more use around the yard. However i would say that if you plan on using either the H or M with a loader you have a min of 2 sets of weights 3 or 4 sets is even better.
There are alot of people on here that think you need a 806 if you have 10 or more acres. When back when these machines were new the Cub was geared at farms up to 35-40 acres, the H was up to 150 acres and the M was plus that. I know times were diffrent and farming tech has come along way, just food for thought.
Andrew
There are alot of people on here that think you need a 806 if you have 10 or more acres. When back when these machines were new the Cub was geared at farms up to 35-40 acres, the H was up to 150 acres and the M was plus that. I know times were diffrent and farming tech has come along way, just food for thought.
Andrew
Dave H (MI)
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A lot of people lose sight of the fact that IH rated their equipment in terms of the acreage it was meant to be used on. There is a lot of good info out there including photographs of Cubs being farmed with. I think many would be surprised at what could be and was done with the old IH equipment back when it was new and cutting edge. Also food for thought is the consideration of how many of these tractors are still in service and a lot of those on the farms of original owners.
BoonvilleKid
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An H isn't large enough for just 7-acres, Allan? You apparently haven't spent much time farming with an H or any tractor of that size. When I was younger, many years ago, my Father and I farmed 640 acres. The only tractors we had was a John Deere B (a smidgen less than an H in power) and a Farmall SC. Yes, we spent a lot of time in the fields. But, 640 is quite a bit more than 7. A Farmall H can eat 7 acres for breakfast. Go fishing in the afternoon. We never got to go fishing because there was more area to cover in the afternoon.
Anonymous-0
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goodone,h doesn't have the balls
carl
I don't know that anyone (Allen excepted) thinks an H isn't BIG enough for 7 acres, heck we easily farmed 100 acres (60 tillable) for 2 or 3 years with a Super C. But still, if the loader is a prime consideration, or if a brush hog type mower is, live hydraulics, power steering, 3 point and IPTO sure make things a whole lot easier and probably can be found for the same money.
Allan in NE
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Comon you guys,
I didn't say 7 acres was too much for the H. I said it didn't have any snort.
Allan
I didn't say 7 acres was too much for the H. I said it didn't have any snort.
Allan
Anonymous-0
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the m i am thinking about has power steering and I was going to make it live hydraulics, the price is 1300, with a loader. I grewup on farmlls and I sold my 300 3 years ago so I am looking, will hopefully get a super a also.
loader is for moving dirt manure, and rocks.
carl
clancy mt
loader is for moving dirt manure, and rocks.
carl
clancy mt
Allan in NE
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Carl,
If that thing is any kind of decent shape, I'd sure jump on that deal.....................before someone tries to tell you that it's worth more.
Krist, the loader alone is worth $1500 is it's any kind of a loader at all. :>)
Allan
If that thing is any kind of decent shape, I'd sure jump on that deal.....................before someone tries to tell you that it's worth more.
Krist, the loader alone is worth $1500 is it's any kind of a loader at all. :>)
Allan
We're not talking about loading dump trucks for a living here people!!!
Jeez, an H or an M with a simple loader is more than enough for MAINTAINING 7 acres.
Push some brush, move some loose dirt around, haul rocks, plow the driveway in the winter.... You don't need a Case 580K with shuttle shift, or some expensive modern tractor with all the bells and whistles, for that (though it would be nice).
Most of the work is probably going to be brush hogging. An old H is just fine for that kind of stuff.
Jeez, an H or an M with a simple loader is more than enough for MAINTAINING 7 acres.
Push some brush, move some loose dirt around, haul rocks, plow the driveway in the winter.... You don't need a Case 580K with shuttle shift, or some expensive modern tractor with all the bells and whistles, for that (though it would be nice).
Most of the work is probably going to be brush hogging. An old H is just fine for that kind of stuff.
Allan in NE
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Please don't try to BS me. I kinda have a handle on how much ground an acre is.
Allan
Allan
I don't think you'll find an H any cheaper than the M you're looking at. I've been on both- owned an M for a while- and I'm an M man myself. That M may get a little thirsty working it- expect to put 3-4 gallons an hour in it under heavy load. But seriously, It's not like you're going to put 1,500 hours on it a year. Maybe a hundred. Besides, as a few guys bicker with Allan, they are forgetting that you have an M in front of you, not an H.
Allan I'm with you- I like all the power I can Get my hands on. H vs M? No question in my mind. Unless of course, you've got an H and M in front of you, and one is in obviously better condition or a better price than the other.
But, Who Am I, Anyway? Have a good one!-Andy
Allan I'm with you- I like all the power I can Get my hands on. H vs M? No question in my mind. Unless of course, you've got an H and M in front of you, and one is in obviously better condition or a better price than the other.
But, Who Am I, Anyway? Have a good one!-Andy
CenTex Farmall
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Get the M. The extra weight will be appreciated when doing loader work. Power steering is super for loader work!
The fuel burn difference shows up when doing high power work. Doing chores and clean-up work you won't notice much difference between the two.
As far as having a "better" tractor for loader work, sure you can find something more modern and better but how much do you want to spend? I have a loader on a Super M and am happy with it. I could find a better loader tractor and spend 30 grand or 20 grand but I'm not in a hurry and I like playing with my old toys.
As for an M being too big, that's all academic. Sure, you can farm 80 acres with a B farmall as it was designed to do. But we're talking about the economics of subsistence farming as it was 60 years ago. We're comparing apples and oranges talking about sizing a tractor for true farm work vs. buying an old tractor for chore duty.
I think you have a good basic plan and may have found the right tractor if everything checks out. Especially since it already has a loader. You can add live hydraulics like you planned and that information is on here.
Get the fluids current and get the ignition, timing and carb in spec and fuel consumption will NOT be excessive. It will be cheap to maintain and won't care if there's ethanol in the fuel. It also won't care if it sits for six months between uses. Go with your plan and have fun!
The fuel burn difference shows up when doing high power work. Doing chores and clean-up work you won't notice much difference between the two.
As far as having a "better" tractor for loader work, sure you can find something more modern and better but how much do you want to spend? I have a loader on a Super M and am happy with it. I could find a better loader tractor and spend 30 grand or 20 grand but I'm not in a hurry and I like playing with my old toys.
As for an M being too big, that's all academic. Sure, you can farm 80 acres with a B farmall as it was designed to do. But we're talking about the economics of subsistence farming as it was 60 years ago. We're comparing apples and oranges talking about sizing a tractor for true farm work vs. buying an old tractor for chore duty.
I think you have a good basic plan and may have found the right tractor if everything checks out. Especially since it already has a loader. You can add live hydraulics like you planned and that information is on here.
Get the fluids current and get the ignition, timing and carb in spec and fuel consumption will NOT be excessive. It will be cheap to maintain and won't care if there's ethanol in the fuel. It also won't care if it sits for six months between uses. Go with your plan and have fun!
Ed Hotaling
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I have an H with a McCormick #31 loader on it and a Ford 850 with a Lord loader. Neither one has power steering. I use them on a little less than 12 acres in Massachusetts.
The Ford has live hydraulics and a hydraulic bucket, but the H will load circles around it, depending on what is being loaded.
Some folks complain about fuel usage, but I seldom use more than a couple of gallons per day. That's working most of the day making brush piles to burn. As someone already said, the M produces more HP-hrs/gallon. Doing loader work doesn't take a lot of HP, so it will not use a lot of gas per hour. They all get thirsty when you work the snot out of them.
The H will lift about a ton, but that's pushing the limit. The Ford won't pick up quite as much. They both steer kind of hard with a really heavy load, but as long as they're moving, they are manageable.
It boils down to what you expect out of the machine and what you're used to.
The Ford has live hydraulics and a hydraulic bucket, but the H will load circles around it, depending on what is being loaded.
Some folks complain about fuel usage, but I seldom use more than a couple of gallons per day. That's working most of the day making brush piles to burn. As someone already said, the M produces more HP-hrs/gallon. Doing loader work doesn't take a lot of HP, so it will not use a lot of gas per hour. They all get thirsty when you work the snot out of them.
The H will lift about a ton, but that's pushing the limit. The Ford won't pick up quite as much. They both steer kind of hard with a really heavy load, but as long as they're moving, they are manageable.
It boils down to what you expect out of the machine and what you're used to.
mike1972chev
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I asked FIRST OFF what he was going to be doing with it!!!!
He ORIGINALLY said he wanted a loader tractor.IF!!! you were going to be doing front end loading all day long,I would not EVEN go near an old "stick shift" tractor!!!!(There IS a reason Case went AWAY from the O L D "CK" series to them dang "New Fangled" 580 D thru K ,and M series for Gods Sake!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!)
Second,trying to multi task with a tractor with a front end loader on it can be a joke! MOST people i know have a DEDICATED loader tractor!
(You EVER mow around a grove of trees or a building with a front end loader on ANYTHING????Could have some destruction???)Some guys take the bucket off to do it,but STILL have the arms hitting sh!T
He ORIGINALLY said he wanted a loader tractor.IF!!! you were going to be doing front end loading all day long,I would not EVEN go near an old "stick shift" tractor!!!!(There IS a reason Case went AWAY from the O L D "CK" series to them dang "New Fangled" 580 D thru K ,and M series for Gods Sake!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!)
Second,trying to multi task with a tractor with a front end loader on it can be a joke! MOST people i know have a DEDICATED loader tractor!
(You EVER mow around a grove of trees or a building with a front end loader on ANYTHING????Could have some destruction???)Some guys take the bucket off to do it,but STILL have the arms hitting sh!T
Anonymous-0
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yeah
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