I am looking at a new Hull 25' gooseneck trailer (20+5 beaver tail with ramps) to pull behind a 2010 Ford F-250 Superduty. The trailer has two 7,000 pound axles. The salesman tells me it will be no problem hauling 2 M's to shows, parades and rides. However, I know there are guys in this forum with much more integrity and experience than the salesman. So, heres the question. Will that trailer, on that pickup safely haul two Farmall M's? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Yes as long as they are not weighted up. Ie 3 sets of weights, loaded tires etc. A bare M comes in at just over 5200 give or take what you have on it. Make sure there all bound tight and have the proper chains on them, follow the speed limit and be safe and you'll be good to go.
Andrew
Andrew
mike1972chev
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What is the actuall total trailer rated at???Any pics of it???
Some of these trailers I have seen might claim to be rated at a certain GVW,but are NO WHERE NEAR as stout as others we use.
For instance,I have seen 2 10,000 lb trailers side by side(different manufactures) and you can just clearly tell one is not even close in quality and durability. Be ware of inferior trailers!!!!
Some of these trailers I have seen might claim to be rated at a certain GVW,but are NO WHERE NEAR as stout as others we use.
For instance,I have seen 2 10,000 lb trailers side by side(different manufactures) and you can just clearly tell one is not even close in quality and durability. Be ware of inferior trailers!!!!
rustred
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from experience you will be maxed out, weight and trailer room. maybe get away with the occational haul, but for regular trips would look at longer and heavier axles. i have 2-10,000 lb.dually axles and 34ft and am glad i went that way. nice to have some leeway if the bulldogs stop you.
Bud DeLong
Member
I know little except longer is better and a gooseneck compaired to a 5"th wheel is a poor choice!!Used a borrowed gooseneck to deadhead 180 miles and bring back a 2020JD with loader and filled tires and it handled the load with ease! Hooking up with the ball in the box was a pain,fooling with chains,and you can only haull One trailer!! Far better than a bumper hitch,but how many semis do you see haulling goosenecks?? Bud.
Don"t you need to figure some of that weight onto the towing vehicle? I have had 5 tractors on my trailer, not that I would recommend it, but you guys get a little uptight over hauling tractors. Just use a bit of common sense. A 20 foot gooseneck trailer will haul 2 Ms any day of the week, and do it legally, also!!
rustyfarmall
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Exactly!! the weight of the first tractor on the trailer will be placed MOSTLY on the truck, the second tractor mostly on the trailer.
If you're hauling just ONE tractor, and you have it loaded correctly, about 30% of that weight will be on the truck.
2 Ms on a trailer should not be a problem, but you WILL know they are back there.
Bud DeLong
Member
20' of deck is not very much and how handy is it to load on the sloped beavertail? How handy will that short deck be to ballance the weight and tye down? There was a fatality last week on 27 when a large round bale came off a trailer and a older man sereved to avoid the bale! PS,Longer backs up better too! Bud.
randy hall
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we haul two m's on a eighteen foot fender trailer 14000# rated. never had a problem. a lot of people on this site think that anything bigger than a cub needs an eighteen wheeler to haul it safely.
It's easy to get uptight with all the crap the DOT is pulling these days.
I agree, capacity is no problem. Two 7000lb axles, plus another 3000lbs on the gooseneck is plenty.
Legally... That all depends on how it's registered.
The weight is physically ON the trailer. If you unhitch the trailer on a scale it will weigh over 15,000lbs in this case.
That's in CDL territory, even if you're hauling privately. IF the DOT officer considers the tongue/pin/gooseneck weight of the trailer as part of the trailer weight.
Here's My $.02-
In January I bought a used 20'+ Beavertail gooseneck trailer, 14,000 GVW. I had to weigh it to get plates. The scale at Metamora Grain weighed it at 5,500 lbs. So, 2 M's, at approximatley 5,500 lbs a piece, (that is what Mine weighed) equals 16,500 + chains, etc. Yes, you'll have pin weight on the truck. Make sure it is rated for the 2-3,000 pin weight you'll wind up with.
(After reading this statement, I believe it may be too conservative, but you get the point.) Which, even though it may take it, My rig wouldn't be legal doing it. ('97 K2500, 8,600 gvw, 6.5 diesel.) All in all, could you do it? Yes. Could you get away with it? Most likely. I don't believe it would be legal, though. The way I see it, the unhooked trailer, sitting on a scale with the tractors on it, would weigh 16,500, 2,500 more than trailer is rated for, therefore illegal. You need to consult a d.o.t. officer, or ask you local police department to get an actual copy (and interpretation) of the rules you'll be dealing with. I think about this stuff, as the d.o.t. in Michigan is pulling over private guys occasionally, and you had better comply, just like motor carriers. I've heard stories.
I figure, the max load for my setup, is about 9,000 lbs. Or, basically, my 7,400 lb Farmall 450D. Or my 2 Super C's. I think you get my point.
Good luck. -Andy
In January I bought a used 20'+ Beavertail gooseneck trailer, 14,000 GVW. I had to weigh it to get plates. The scale at Metamora Grain weighed it at 5,500 lbs. So, 2 M's, at approximatley 5,500 lbs a piece, (that is what Mine weighed) equals 16,500 + chains, etc. Yes, you'll have pin weight on the truck. Make sure it is rated for the 2-3,000 pin weight you'll wind up with.
(After reading this statement, I believe it may be too conservative, but you get the point.) Which, even though it may take it, My rig wouldn't be legal doing it. ('97 K2500, 8,600 gvw, 6.5 diesel.) All in all, could you do it? Yes. Could you get away with it? Most likely. I don't believe it would be legal, though. The way I see it, the unhooked trailer, sitting on a scale with the tractors on it, would weigh 16,500, 2,500 more than trailer is rated for, therefore illegal. You need to consult a d.o.t. officer, or ask you local police department to get an actual copy (and interpretation) of the rules you'll be dealing with. I think about this stuff, as the d.o.t. in Michigan is pulling over private guys occasionally, and you had better comply, just like motor carriers. I've heard stories.
I figure, the max load for my setup, is about 9,000 lbs. Or, basically, my 7,400 lb Farmall 450D. Or my 2 Super C's. I think you get my point.
Good luck. -Andy
Dean Olson
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I have a 06 Dodge 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins & a 20+5 gooseneck with 2 7k axles. GCWR is a little under 22K, truck weighs approx 7200 and trailer is 5300lbs with chains,binders,winch etc. leaving me with about 92-9400 lbs available load capacity on the truck and trailer. I loaded 2 Farmall SH's and promptly went to the scales and grossed right at 22k. I knew I had a load on but the truck handled it with ease. I ran about 300 miles on a 100 degree TX day with no overheating of the engine or trans.
I think you are going to want a heavier duty truck and trailer. Especially with all the DOT revenue collectors on the prowl.
I think you are going to want a heavier duty truck and trailer. Especially with all the DOT revenue collectors on the prowl.
been there done that , a 450 and a oliver 66 total weight of tractors 10000 . 2 - 7k axles , bring a lot of spare tires with you . get 2-10k axles and you'll be satisfied . I went to 3-7k axles with g rated tires and still not happy with the blow outs . understand with the interstates and the holes in them the shock load costs me a tire or two a year .dual tires spread the shock.
Where do you guys come up with subtracting the tongue weight? That's not how it works. It is the weight of the trailer and what it on it.
The majority of gn trailers sold are 20+5. You can fit two Ms on there without a problem without weaving the noses or anything. I back the first one up to the front then swing the drawbar and back the hoop to the front tires of the first. A lot of guys back the first one on and swing the nose over then they drive the second one on. I don't like all that driving on the trailer and backing off.
The majority of gn trailers sold are 20+5. You can fit two Ms on there without a problem without weaving the noses or anything. I back the first one up to the front then swing the drawbar and back the hoop to the front tires of the first. A lot of guys back the first one on and swing the nose over then they drive the second one on. I don't like all that driving on the trailer and backing off.
Dean Olson
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You subtract the tongue weight from the trailers load and add it to
the truck. My empty 5300 lb GN trailer adds 1000lbs to my truck
axle.
Just pay attention to the weight on each axle and GCWR of truck
trailer and load.
the truck. My empty 5300 lb GN trailer adds 1000lbs to my truck
axle.
Just pay attention to the weight on each axle and GCWR of truck
trailer and load.
rustred
Well-known Member
its not the driving on or backing on, its balancing the load on the trailer. both tractors backed on puts too much weight on truck.
the truck needs to take some weight but not all of it.
lots of times its best to drive the first one on and back the second one on. this way the load is over the trailer tires.
the truck needs to take some weight but not all of it.
lots of times its best to drive the first one on and back the second one on. this way the load is over the trailer tires.
Anonymous-0
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Load the wagon,don't worry about the mule.
bobs old iron
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short answer from me, piece of cake..lol.. i agree with LBS,,, when i load, both get loaded running on forward, rides fine, weight evens out on trailer..
Every set up is different. Load it the way you want and go to a scale and axle it out.
With my set up 2 M's and trailer would be about 16,500 so with 2,500 on the truck I would be maxed out on the trailer.
I do not like max on my trailer, I like a bit of safety factor so even if I could scale it out per axle I would not run at absolute max.
You talkin' to me? It works in my situation, but if I were buying a new trailer there is no doubt it would be a 20k.
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I'm talkin' to a lot of these guys... You and I actually agree.
The way some of you are talking, let's just roll a couple of 1466's up on the trailer and hit the road!
Yah, your big bad truck moved 35,000lbs of round bales from the field to the barn... Okay, we get it.
There's a lot more to be concerned with for something like this than just whether or not the trailer is squashed flat under the weight. When the tractors are going to a show, you're no longer an agricultural exemption. You're a private hauler, or a commercial hauler depending on your weights.
The way some of you are talking, let's just roll a couple of 1466's up on the trailer and hit the road!
Yah, your big bad truck moved 35,000lbs of round bales from the field to the barn... Okay, we get it.
There's a lot more to be concerned with for something like this than just whether or not the trailer is squashed flat under the weight. When the tractors are going to a show, you're no longer an agricultural exemption. You're a private hauler, or a commercial hauler depending on your weights.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
I know here in Pennsylvania they are cracking down on pick-ups and trailers of any size that are overloaded. For years the cops overlooked it and stuck to checking "big trucks".
A little over a year ago they started looking at everything down to the guy pulling a riding lawn mower on a 4x8 trailer. Its all about revenue. Trust me I know. I drive "big truck" for a living overweight fines are not cheap and if you have a CDL the fine will go against your license.Just make sure its loaded correctly before you go to the next tractor show.
A little over a year ago they started looking at everything down to the guy pulling a riding lawn mower on a 4x8 trailer. Its all about revenue. Trust me I know. I drive "big truck" for a living overweight fines are not cheap and if you have a CDL the fine will go against your license.Just make sure its loaded correctly before you go to the next tractor show.
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